If the flattening isn't working is it time to face reality?

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So, numbers are still doubling every 2.5 to 3 days. Current cases in US are currently at 60,000. In 14 days we will have 1.9 million cases. By Easter it will be 4 million. And that is at current shutdown. We are not anywhere near the peak yet, so we need to keep the shutdown going and actually increase our efforts.

When throwing out numbers it's helpful for us folks that may not be reading what you are to give us a source so we can look at it a well

 

[AggieDizzer]

Uggh this thread isn’t t even fun to read anymore. Too many snarky comments and people bickering over who is “more” right. Can’t we just keep it friendly. We can disagree and discuss but just be nice! Things are crummy enough all around .

After engaging in the conversation on this thread yesterday, I felt like I needed to take a shower. I said a lot of things that, in hindsight, I wish I hadn't - or, perhaps I should have said them with more charity than I did. I felt (and feel) terrible about it. To anyone who is still on this thread, at whom I directed some of my comments, I am very sorry for my tone. It was out of line. The fact is I don't have the answers. And I shouldn't pretend like I do.

I remarked the other day to a friend that we are all just riding the tide of history, passive observers in the midst of a seismic change in contemporary society. What she said to me has completely changed my outlook on the situation....she told me that we CAN affect those around us by spreading kindness, patience, and love. You do matter to the people you interact with. And in that way, maybe it's a small way, you can make a big difference. If everyone thought that way, where would our world be today?

One thing I know for sure is that I could be very dear friends with anyone on this forum based on our shared love for what brought us here in the first place. We all have families, friends, coworkers, and loved ones who are affected by this terrible situation. I pray the best for all of you and hope that you are able to find comfort in these trying times. I'm going to have to disconnect from the thread now, but I hope that when all this is said and done we can share a good cry over a dole whip or a churro on Main Street, celebrate the fact that "we made it through", and mourn the loss of loved ones who may not have.

Peace and blessings. Please be kind.

 

[godisney14]

Everyone talking about chloroquine being a potential cure needs to temper it. Seriously.
It isn’t helping those that truly need it for approved uses. And it’s only making dumbsacks dumber by self medicating.

Has there been evidence of chloroquine working in the clinical setting to help patients recover? Yes, but so has not prescribing it. Even praying has helped anecdotally.

Until there is a complete formal study using randomized participants, we can’t say for sure whether it is a treatment. And as mentioned many times, all the observations of chloroquine use has been done in inpatients who are constantly monitored. You don’t just take this medicine at home for COVID-19.

And just because you hear of a doctor here and there hoarding it doesn’t mean they’re the brightest bulb. Not all doctors are beautiful and wonderful people. Rand Paul is a doctor and he still went about his activities before receiving positive COVID-19 test results.

 

[TexasErin]

Yup. He said that. Loud and proud.
He's all in.
I'm going to hope that this isn't a widely accepted view in Texas.

Texan here. I’m going to say no.......But we have a lot of morons driving around with Confederate flag stickers on their Dodge Ram trucks with “Come and Take It” stickers on their trucks, so I don’t think those kind of people will exactly relish being told what to do by the government.

 

[okeydokey]

When throwing out numbers it's helpful for us folks that may not be reading what you are to give us a source so we can look at it a well

It's just math. There is a total number of cases each day.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Look at them day after day and chart where they are.

 

[okeydokey]

Regardless of how this virus is being portrayed, it is not an automatic death sentence. The vast majority who get it recover at home without even being hospitalized.

15% hospitalization rate of 4 million people are a lot of people in the hospital.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It's just math. There is a total number of cases each day.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Look at them day after day and chart where they are.

So just an estimated guess? Ok..maybe we should put that in there that you've done some math, and estimated based on the current trajectory. People float numbers around but without any proof OR without someone considered an expert. Def. though if there's someone who we consider an expert advising this stuff I for sure would like to be able to read their information .

 

[okeydokey]

So just an estimated guess? Ok..maybe we should put that in there that you've done some math, and estimated based on the current trajectory. People float numbers around but without any proof OR without someone considered an expert. Def. though if there's someone who we consider an expert advising this stuff I for sure would like to be able to read their information .

It's math, if you look at the numbers every day, you too could subtract and see the increase day by day in the US and then extrapolate that data forward. The research center I work for is doing just that, but anyone can do it. There are loads and loads of graphs and reports out there. I know it's scary to believe that, and we can still make a difference, but this will get MUCH much worse before it gets better.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

What do you not understand about homelessness and poverty directly leading to death?

Regardless of how this virus is being portrayed, it is not an automatic death sentence. The vast majority who get it recover at home without even being hospitalized.

Regardless of how poverty is being portrayed, it is not an automatic death sentence either.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

It's math, if you look at the numbers every day, you too could subtract and see the increase day by day in the US and then extrapolate that data forward. The research center I work for is doing just that, but anyone can do it.

But we don't have proof right? We're not studying it AFTER, we're using estimated guesses based on trends. Extrapolation is a tricky beast and has to be treated carefully. When trends change so do your data you're using for extrapolation (that statement for other people's benefit). I was more or less bringing it up so maybe we are all careful with throwing numbers out is all

 

[EveDallas]

15% hospitalization rate of 4 million people are a lot of people in the hospital.

That means 85% not in the hospital. Which is what majority means.

 

[EveDallas]

Regardless of how poverty is being portrayed, it is not an automatic death sentence either.

Tell that to all the people currently starving on the streets and those who are soon to join them.

 

[okeydokey]

But we don't have proof right? We're not studying it AFTER, we're using estimated guesses based on trends. Extrapolation is a tricky beast and has to be treated carefully. When trends change so do your data you're using for extrapolation (that statement for other people's benefit). I was more or less bringing it up so maybe we are all careful with throwing numbers out is all

Correct, and I hope the projections I am seeing in the public health and disaster management areas are negated by public response to stay in place orders.

 

[okeydokey]

That means 85% not in the hospital. Which is what majority means.

Yes, I know what majority means, LOL. I am just pointing out that we anticipate there will be an overwhelming number of people hospitalized, and that is why I think we need stronger orders to stay home.

 

[Party.Of.4-NY>>>FL]

Tell that to all the people currently starving on the streets and those who are soon to join them.

No need. I lived in poverty for a portion of my life and I happen to know for a fact that it is not an automatic death sentence. Not even close.

Your previous post, if read by someone that has recently lost their job, has the potential to cause panic and despair at a time in their lives when rational thinking and optimism are the more beneficial emotions. I will repeat myself. Poverty is not a death sentence.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Correct, and I hope the projections I am seeing in the public health and disaster management areas are negated by public response to stay in place orders.

We totally agree on that

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

What do you not understand about homelessness and poverty directly leading to death?

There are safety nets upon safety nets that help people prevent that. There is a reason starvation as a cause of death in the US is basically non-existent (outside of eating disorders)

 

[BuckeyeBama]

This is interesting - no matter how you sort American voters, the vast majority of Americans support a national quarantine:

 

[Colleen27]

It’s great that you have such confidence but until it actually passes no one should hang their hat on it. These things have a way of disintegrating. I’ll believe it when I see it and not before.

As we are currently seeing unfold.

Regardless of how poverty is being portrayed, it is not an automatic death sentence either.

So then the question becomes, which is likely to do more damage?

There are safety nets upon safety nets that help people prevent that. There is a reason starvation as a cause of death in the US is basically non-existent (outside of eating disorders)

Starvation isn't, but lack of medical care certainly is, and so-called "deaths of despair" have been on the rise since the last downturn and through the recovery that passed so many by. And more families are more fragile now than immediately prior to the last crisis. Our safety net is moth-eaten and stretched to the breaking point. Without major reinforcements and repairs, it isn't up to the hit it will take from a crisis of this scale.

 

[EveDallas]

So the stimulus bill has pissed, but the checks likely won't be out until May.