Is anyone else worried about opening up again

[jlwhitney]

I have to ask all of those who opposed the lockdowns and compare what Sweden did. Over there most practiced social distancing, stayed home from work when sick and groups of more then 50 were banned. Do you think most Americans would follow those rules if they didn't lock every one down?

The staying home when sick is probably one of the biggest issues here across the board. Between prefect attendance awards/prizes that encourage sending a kid sick (since lets be real probably no kid goes k-12 never getting sick for a day), to working parents that can't take time off from work and so much. The easy option sounds like give more sick days but they are already abused at a lot of places as and not used for actual sickness.

I think we need a better way to obtain a dr.s note for the backing of being sick for schools and work, but I know for our insurance and many others its around $120/130 to get a note, many can't afford that regularly so off they go sick or send kids sick because too many days have been used.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

We got a county update on this from our regional medical company last night. The high points:

* Rural NJ counties reached their peak on 4/9 and cases have been steadily declining since.
* Deaths are still flat, but they trail infections by about 2-3 weeks so we should see them begin to decline
* Many people have been postponing normal medical care and as a result, pronouncements of death for patients being transported to the hospital for non-Covid reasons are double what they were.

I added the last point for a reason - in the NY Metro area, reported deaths have doubled the normal rate for non-COVID causes simply because people are afraid to seek medical help right now. That is a tragedy. Hopefully the rest of the country can learn from this.

If you think that you need medical attention - get it!

 

[TLSnell1981]

I have to ask all of those who opposed the lockdowns and compare what Sweden did. Over there most practiced social distancing, stayed home from work when sick and groups of more then 50 were banned. Do you think most Americans would follow those rules if they didn't lock every one down?

What is the difference in a small businesses adhering to the social distancing rules and let's say Costco or Target? Many only have a few customers in at a time anyways.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I am worried and wish we could just stick to at least the original plan of at least one more month. Give businesses more time to get some procedures in place. I will continue to stay home for now but I do feel more prepared and thoughtful about distancing and wearing a mask etc than I was when this all started. I also have seen many businesses and people put more protective measures in place so I think as long as that continues to improve, I’ll eventually feel more comfortable getting out again.

Was watching the news last night. Rural hospitals in my state and the state next to me are on the verge of bankruptcy. No patients. The one they showed had 2 patients the entire day, hospital staff have had to give up 8hrs of shifts per pay period, rural towns are struggling with businesses being closed, etc.

Heck my city of nearly 140K in a large metro just announced yesterday they are furloughing all of their city workers for a 2 week period except for police officers and firefighters!? That's insane. They are facing an $18+million dollar budget deficit. So along with that furlough it's also a city-wide hiring freeze of both current and future vacant positions and a spending cap on non-personnel related expenses.

I have zero issues about people wanting to use their own comfortability measure. I know I certainly am. I am keeping very aware of things in my area and part of that is watching the impacts to my area in more than just number of cases.

 

[Jrb1979]

What is the difference in a small businesses adhering to the social distancing rules and let's say Costco or Target? Many only have a few customers in at a time anyways.

I was saying what if they left everything open but told people they had to practice social distancing. Do you think most Americans would follow that? I doubt it. Most wouldn't stay home when sick like is being asked now.

 

[TLSnell1981]

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I was saying what if they left everything open but told people they had to practice social distancing. Do you think most Americans would follow that? I doubt it. Most wouldn't stay home when sick like is being asked now.

These people are already out shopping. Why not allow them to frequent small businesses? They ARE dying while Amazon, Walmart, Costco and Target are flourishing.

While we are at it let's restart elective procedures and keep our hospitals afloat.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

The staying home when sick is probably one of the biggest issues here across the board. Between prefect attendance awards/prizes that encourage sending a kid sick (since lets be real probably no kid goes k-12 never getting sick for a day), to working parents that can't take time off from work and so much. The easy option sounds like give more sick days but they are already abused at a lot of places as and not used for actual sickness.

I think we need a better way to obtain a dr.s note for the backing of being sick for schools and work, but I know for our insurance and many others its around $120/130 to get a note, many can't afford that regularly so off they go sick or send kids sick because too many days have been used.

Problem is even with a doctor's note, a child isn't truly excused. In my state, schools are judged on attendance so administrators get insane and badger parents to get to school no matter what. I can't tell you how many times during flu season, parents would be picking their feverish kids up from my office and asked if they would get in trouble for not being in school. This totally needs to change.

 

[Jrb1979]

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These people are already out shopping. Why not allow them to frequent small businesses? They ARE dying while Amazon, Walmart, Costco and Target are flourishing.

While we are at it let's restart elective procedures and keep our hospitals afloat.

First I will say it's sad that hospitals have to rely on those elective procedures to stay afloat.

Anyways, I am not saying keep everything closed. I'm saying what if they didn't close anything from the beginning but did like Sweden. Do you think most Americans would practice social distancing and stay home if they were sick?

 

[jlwhitney]

We got a county update on this from our regional medical company last night. The high points:

* Rural NJ counties reached their peak on 4/9 and cases have been steadily declining since.
* Deaths are still flat, but they trail infections by about 2-3 weeks so we should see them begin to decline
* Many people have been postponing normal medical care and as a result, pronouncements of death for patients being transported to the hospital for non-Covid reasons are double what they were.

I added the last point for a reason - in the NY Metro area, reported deaths have doubled the normal rate for non-COVID causes simply because people are afraid to seek medical help right now. That is a tragedy. Hopefully the rest of the country can learn from this.

If you think that you need medical attention - get it!

That is so sad that it has caused people to fear seeking medical care, and we are going to see this effect for the coming months. The handling of medical care for non covid was really botched.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

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These people are already out shopping. Why not allow them to frequent small businesses? They ARE dying while Amazon, Walmart, Costco and Target are flourishing.

While we are at it let's restart elective procedures and keep our hospitals afloat.

Oh girlfriend...no, not yet.

 

[jlwhitney]

Problem is even with a doctor's note, a child isn't truly excused. In my state, schools are judged on attendance so administrators get insane and badger parents to get to school no matter what. I can't tell you how many times during flu season, parents would be picking their feverish kids up from my office and asked if they would get in trouble for not being in school. This totally needs to change.

Yes! I know some states are worst for things like that. I know some states as long as you are there for morning roll call they don't care if you leave after..its nuts.

It won't be easy to have a balance between it all so its not overly abused.

 

[luvsJack]

I have to ask all of those who opposed the lockdowns and compare what Sweden did. Over there most practiced social distancing, stayed home from work when sick and groups of more then 50 were banned. Do you think most Americans would follow those rules if they didn't lock every one down?

But everyone in the US hasn’t actually been under a lock down. Many do have a shelter in place but not lock down order. I would assume there is a difference being that those areas under an actual lock down are showing totally empty streets. We don’t have that. I can go where I want to, just can’t go into a non essential business.

 

[TLSnell1981]

First I will say it's sad that hospitals have to rely on those elective procedures to stay afloat.

Anyways, I am not saying keep everything closed. I'm saying what if they didn't close anything from the beginning but did like Sweden. Do you think most Americans would practice social distancing and stay home if they were sick?

Why is it sad that hospitals rely on electives to stay afloat? Electives include tonsillectomies, heart caths, gallbladder removal, kidney stones, hip/knee replacement, etc. Just because a surgery is elective doesn't mean it is unnecessary.

Well, seems like some want to stay home because they "may get sick". So yes, I do believe many business owners would do what they need to protect themselves and others. I'm sure those who won't stay home...already aren't doing so. Just my thoughts

 

[luvsJack]

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These people are already out shopping. Why not allow them to frequent small businesses? They ARE dying while Amazon, Walmart, Costco and Target are flourishing.

While we are at it let's restart elective procedures and keep our hospitals afloat.

Exactly! Here people are in Walmart, Sam’s, and Target. There isn’t much difference in buying a TV or shopping for clothes there than there is all the small businesses. They can limit the number going in and limit hours to have time to clean well after closing.

 

[Music City Mama]

Will the places opening be able to have appropriate hand sanitizer, gloves, lysol, etc?

These are all still scarce around the country.

Our local business supplier told me last week even for wholesalers to find these, it's like the wild west. Lots are there, then they are snatched up. Prices look like they're one thing, then they go up immediately.

Our local Dollar General has under 1/2 a 32 ounce bottle of hand sanitizer for employees at the register. They've not had handsanitizer in the store shipments in 4 weeks. Clerk told me that when that bottle runs out they'll have to close. They have over 1,000 customers a day.

This is what concerns me. I'm in TN and they're opening businesses next week. Not only will those businesses not have enough hand sanitizer for employees (or customers, if needed), but people who go back out to their cars after being inside a business to then sanitize their hands (which is what I do) are running out, if they haven't already.

Just like businesses had to step up to make PPE, someone really needs to step it up on producing hand sanitizer -- it can't be found anywhere. Even the distilleries making it around here say that it's reserved for first responders.

TN: while out governor has decided to begin reopening, we’ll stay home. Our county leads the state in diagnosed cases, and people have largely disregarded the safer at home orders. I try to run errands once a week and stores are always packed. Earlier this month the news showed that local parks were packed. I’m concerned that we’ll get a nasty second wave due to stupidity.

You're in Memphis, right? I thought that Shelby, Davidson (Nashville), and 3 other counties aren't opening up with the rest of TN? I know Nashville's mayor said they're not. I'm just outside of Davidson County and we're opening up, but I think people won't go crazy (at least not around here). I think the learned behaviors (physical distancing, hand washing, respecting other people's space, some mask wearing) will still be adhered to for quite some time.

 

[Jrb1979]

Why is it sad that hospitals rely on electives to stay afloat?

Well, seems like some want to stay home because they "may get sick". So yes, I do believe many business owners would do what they need to protect themselves and others. I'm sure those who won't stay home...already aren't doing so. Just my thoughts

The reason I find it sad is you never hear of things like that in Canada where I live. In fact here they are happy people aren't filling up the ER for things like stubbed toes like what usually happens.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. What I am getting at is before this all started back in Feb and before the lockdowns would doing what Sweden did work in the U.S.?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The reason I find it sad is you never hear of things like that in Canada where I live. In fact here they are happy people aren't filling up the ER for things like stubbed toes like what usually happens.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. What I am getting at is before this all started back in Feb and before the lockdowns would doing what Sweden did work in the U.S.?

Where do you get your wealth of information about what occurs in the U.S.?

Never in my life have I known someone going to the ER for a stubbed toe unless..you know..it's broken, a good reason to seek medical care.

 

[Jrb1979]

Where do you get your wealth of information about what occurs in the U.S.?

Never in my life have I known someone going to the ER for a stubbed toe unless..you know..it's broken, a good reason to seek medical care.

I am saying I find it strange how hospitals rely so much on the sick to function. Here you never hear of that. Til this Covid-19 outbreak I never knew that. Here in Canada a lot of people go to the ER for unnecessary things.

 

[TLSnell1981]

The reason I find it sad is you never hear of things like that in Canada where I live. In fact here they are happy people aren't filling up the ER for things like stubbed toes like what usually happens.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. What I am getting at is before this all started back in Feb and before the lockdowns would doing what Sweden did work in the U.S.?

I'm not talking about the ER. I agree...those services are abused. Although urgent care visits are way down too...not necessarily a good thing. Electives are being affected. These are needed procedures but PPE is being saved for COVID....just in case.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

Elective are being stopped due to vents.