Evening Magic Hours for Deluxe Guests Only

[Roxyfire]

Not everyone has flexibility in when they travel.

Also point charts are deceiving. It's unlikely anyone will be able to rent some of the lowest category rooms and definitely not at short notice.

They are hoping that will happen. I see that once this pent up demand goes away that they will have issues filling rooms. I think once Epic Universe comes and Disney is still playing the money game they might be in trouble. Already people who only did Disney are now deciding on Universal.

What once was a place for everyone is now becoming a place for those who wish to spend big bucks. All the power to those that do. I have no issue with you. I just think they are traveling down a slippery slope.

Oh yeah I love the discussion on it, I have no alliance to a corporation. There's many places to vacation, my family humors my love for disney world.

 

[mshanson3121]

How is it elitist to point out you can stay deluxe cheaper? Just because I do research and budget and stay in that budget and sometimes it gets me into a deluxe over a mod.. im elitist? if you go on vacation your better off than most of the US... lets all just be grateful for what we have and can afford and stop looking at our neighbors and seeing the lambo they have and getting upset..

Yeah that wasn't even remotely what I was referring to in his comment, so everything you just said had nothing to do with what you quoted

 

[StaceyHSD]

Totally and it probably will. But you cannot ignore that they probably identified a pattern (you can see it on these boards, social media, etc) of consumers wanting to avoid the fear of missing out. I'm just stating what they are probably hoping will happen, their overall strategy. Again, I'm curious to see what will happen in the coming months with FP and the like. I think these discussions will all have the same tone.

Disney created the FOMO but now what are they offering? Less for more money. You can sucker people for a while but not forever. Meanwhile Universal down the street is cranking out the fun and inexpensive resorts, deluxe opportunities for way less than Disney, a third gate in the coming years. Disney needs to step it up, not alienate a big chunk of guests but I feel like greed is winning out at the corporate office right now.

I am super curious to see how things play out in the coming months/years. I have a feeling after the shine wears off and the revenge travel dies down they’re going to have to reexamine their choices.

I would love to know what their surveys are telling them.

 

[Grumpy Mouse]

Its not for free. Guests staying at a WDW resort are paying a price premium. A premium which was sold based on included amenities.

Give Disney credit. Able to charge more and give less.

That's why the word 'free' was in quotes. Nothing is free.

What you pay will be proportional to what you get. Period.

Thinking you'll get the same things as the folks who pay more is a pipe dream. Not gonna happen.

And if you think about it, folks staying in value/moderate get benefits that offsite folks don't get.

But as I said, if you had a clear understanding of what you get for each level of pay - while you might not be happy about it - you could at least make an informed decision about it.

 

[mshanson3121]

the cost to rent has skyrocketed in the past couple of years. It wasnt that long ago, like 3 or 4, that you could rent points for 13-14 per point from some of the companies, they're up to 19-20 a point now. it aint cheap.

Exactly. And the super cheap studios which is what people are pricing when they try to say it's cheaper (and even at their cheapest they still are not cheaper than All Stars. Pretty silly of anyone to even try to argue that LOL) are extremely limited and sell out quickly. The two times we tried to price renting, they were unavailable. Which meant going up to the next price level, which was most definitely not cheaper than All Stars.

Which I suppose raises the point that there are "levels" of Value. The "slums" of All Stars, and then the upper class PoP and AoA People are using Pop and AoA to make the "DVC is cheaper/same" argument.

 

[Roxyfire]

I am super curious to see how things play out in the coming months/years. I have a feeling after the shine wears off and the revenge travel dies down they’re going to have to reexamine their choices.

I would love to know what their surveys are telling them.

You and me both!

 

[Meglen]

Disney created the FOMO but now what are they offering? Less for more money. You can sucker people for a while but not forever. Meanwhile Universal down the street is cranking out the fun and inexpensive resorts, deluxe opportunities for way less than Disney, a third gate in the coming years. Disney needs to step it up, not alienate a big chunk of guests but I feel like greed is winning out at the corporate office right now.

I am super curious to see how things play out in the coming months/years. I have a feeling after the shine wears off and the revenge travel dies down they’re going to have to reexamine their choices.

I would love to know what their surveys are telling them.

Me as well, I am wondering where the tipping point will be. I thought it was gonna be the boo bash but that sold like hot cakes, maybe it will be payed FP? idk but we keep showing disney they dont need to offer much and we will pay for anything they come up with. I am acually surprised its free for someone and not a payed for everyone..

 

[Kmedders]

Exactly. And the super cheap studios which people are pricing when they try to say it's cheaper - and even at their cheapest they still are not cheaper than All Stars. Pretty silly of anyone to even try to argue that LOL - are extremely limited and sell out quickly. The two times we tried to price renting, they were unavailable. Which meant going up to the next price level, which was most definitely not cheaper than All Stars.

Interesting. I've always been able to get the studio when renting, booking 11 months out at both poly and AKL...

 

[Roxyfire]

Me as well, I am wondering where the tipping point will be. I thought it was gonna be the boo bash but that sold like hot cakes, maybe it will be payed FP? idk but we keep showing disney they dont need to offer much and we will pay for anything they come up with. I am acually surprised its free for someone and not a payed for everyone..

Boo Bash, good Lord above, that is a thing I was surprised went like it did. I fully expect the paid FP in some form. It won't be pretty!

 

[cakebaker]

If you are at Disney, you have a certain level of means. That includes us. If you can stay at Deluxe - you have means. Quit pretending you don't. It's elitist.

I'm not claiming I'm not better off financially than many people. I'm saying I'm not better off than most people who travel to WDW and I'm certainly not rich because I stay deluxe. That's not elitist, it's fact. I've consistently said anyone who goes to WDW is better off than most and virtually none of them are poor- at least not those who are actually paying for their own trips out of their own pockets. But regardless, even if I was, that is not what elitist means.

This whole argument of who has more than who is ridiculous. The bottom line is Disney wants you to spend more money at WDW and they are offering an incentive for you to to that. Your choice whether you will or not and a good business decision on their part. Disney is a business no matter how much anyone wants to romanticize them as some magical pixie dust place that is somehow "better" than any other corporation in this country. They're all out to make as much money as possible and they always have been.

 

[ChipnDale79]

Me as well, I am wondering where the tipping point will be. I thought it was gonna be the boo bash but that sold like hot cakes, maybe it will be payed FP? idk but we keep showing disney they dont need to offer much and we will pay for anything they come up with. I am acually surprised its free for someone and not a payed for everyone..

the tipping point isnt this year. People have extra cash on hand and a lot havent traveled much in the past year, so you're going to see people toss money at crazy things for the next year or two.

 

[Jrb1979]

Boo Bash, good Lord above, that is a thing I was surprised went like it did. I fully expect the paid FP in some form. It won't be pretty!

It did so well they not only added more dates but also added more tickets to dates that were previously sold out.

 

[Roxyfire]

Interesting. I've always been able to get the studio when renting, booking 11 months out at both poly and AKL...

An AKV is an easy get, and lots of poly studio inventory. Again, at 11 months is different and restrictive for some folks. Even at 7 months either of those can be available. If you want BLT standard, not sure if the broker would even guarantee it. I would have to be up at 7am and I get less money as do they. TPV yes I would do that for a rando renter. But standard? myself or a friend/family yes.

 

[mshanson3121]

Interesting. I've always been able to get the studio when renting, booking 11 months out at both poly and AKL...

Of course you have. And that's great, but we weren't booking 11 months out. Which probably made the difference.

I'm not claiming I'm not better off financially than many people. I'm saying I'm not better off than most people who travel to WDW and I'm certainly not rich because I stay deluxe. That's not elitist, it's fact. I've consistently said anyone who goes to WDW is better off than most and virtually none of them are poor- at least not those who are actually paying for their own trips out of their own pockets.

This whole argument of who has more than who is ridiculous. The bottom line is Disney wants you to spend more money at WDW and they are offering an incentive for you to to that. Your choice whether you will or not and a good business decision on their part. Disney is a business no matter how much anyone want to romanticize them as some magical pixie dust place that is somehow "better" than any other corporation in this country. They're all out to make as much money as possible and they always have been.

No one accused you of being rich or "1%". I didn't at least. What I said was "have means" which you decided to interpret as meaning rich, but in fact they aren't necessarily synonymous. At any rate, what you have been doing is denying that people who stay at deluxe have a level of means that many others don't. THAT is what I was referring to as elitist. However, maybe you were doing so because of your erroneous assumption that "having means" meant "rich".

 

[StaceyHSD]

Me as well, I am wondering where the tipping point will be. I thought it was gonna be the boo bash but that sold like hot cakes, maybe it will be payed FP? idk but we keep showing disney they dont need to offer much and we will pay for anything they come up with. I am acually surprised its free for someone and not a payed for everyone..

I’m not surprised Boo Bash went like that. First hard ticket event after Covid? Supposedly limited capacity (I do think that’s legit)? And people are crazy about Halloween.

I think it’s going to be the nickel & diming that will get to people eventually. The paid parking, the lack of variety in restaurants and resort food courts, the making people pay for things they didn’t have to previously, the lack of housekeeping, no DME, etc. The knowing that you can get more for less by staying off property or going to Universal.

 

[Pookie9922]

Actually, what they gave back to Deluxe/DVC guests was a vastly improved EMH's in the evening. EMH's were so crowded the past couple of years that they were worthless. I haven't been to one in at least 3 years. By significantly reducing the number allowed in, it's much more valuable and I look forward to experiencing EMH's as they were meant to be. So yes, the name is the same, the experience should be vastly different. We'll see how it shakes out as to how long they are and how often, but this isn't the same as what we had. It's better.

This was my understanding about EMHs too. From studying in this board and crowd levels on TP, we actively avoided all EMH parks on our trip. The logic was it may have had longer hours but they made the parks so crowded that you lost time during the rest of the day. The only way to take advantage of the EMHs were if you had park hoppers which we didn’t. But I’d argue that the amount of time it takes you to transfer to another park is the same as what you’re getting out of the EMH. This sounds like a way to make the EMH actually useful.

 

[cakebaker]

What I said was "have means" which you decided to interpret as meaning rich

I didn't interpret it, that's generally what the definition is- a person of means never describes anyone who is scraping by, barely affording what they do with absolutely no way of doing more. And when someone uses that term, that's exactly what they're implying whether they intend to or not. I don't want to get into the weeds on this, but just take a quick look at a thesaurus or dictionary.

And yes, I will continue to deny that people who stay at deluxe resorts have a level of means that guests who stay at values don't neccesarily have. I stay at both, am I a person of means when I stay at deluxe and not when I stay at a value?

 

[annadreamsofdisneyworld]

I might come off like an jerk.. but its not meant to be.. if you get to visit due to your choices with inlaws and such shouldnt you jsut be happy ot be there and enjoy the time? why we calling folks elitiest? I am not rich.. we budget for our trips.. I was dirt poor growing up and never went on a single vacation till my dad took us on our 1 and only trip in my life.. like take it down a notch..

Because it's frustrating to read so many posts from people saying I can choose to stay at deluxe, when I literally cannot. And now that there are EMH perks for only deluxe I'm really worried Disney will go the same route for fast passes (either offer them to deluxe guests or offer them to everyone at a steep price). Then we would either be forced to stand in long lines all day (especially not fun with our young kids), or drastically reduce our length of stay to afford fast pass. Then it becomes not worth it for us to spend the money and fly all the way from Maine. So then we might choose another vacation, which would be really sad to me because Disney World is my favorite place in the world.

 

[mshanson3121]

I didn't interpret it, that's generally what the definition is- a person of means never describes anyone who is scraping by, barely affording what they do with absolutely no way of doing more. And when someone uses that term, that's exactly what they're implying whether they intend to or not. I don't want to get into the weeds on this, but just take a quick look at a thesaurus or dictionary.

And yes, I will continue to deny that people who stay at deluxe resorts have a level of means that guests who stay at values don't neccesarily have. I stay at both, am I a person of means when I stay at deluxe and not when I stay at a value?

I'm guessing you just like to argue for arguments sake? Is that it?

I said "many" not "all"

Further I already acknowledged in another post (which you read and quoted) that said some people who can afford deluxe choose to stay at Value.

So... Nice try lol. Have a good day, I'm out.

 

[cakebaker]

This was my understanding about EMHs too. From studying in this board and crowd levels on TP, we actively avoided all EMH parks on our trip. The logic was it may have had longer hours but they made the parks so crowded that you lost time during the rest of the day. The only way to take advantage of the EMHs were if you had park hoppers which we didn’t. But I’d argue that the amount of time it takes you to transfer to another park is the same as what you’re getting out of the EMH. This sounds like a way to make the EMH actually useful.

We used to go to morning hours, then take our resort break at lunch and hopped to another park that evening. It was a break we were going to take regardless, so not a waste of travel time. EMH in the mornings were signficantly more crowded during the day, lesser crowds at non emh parks. But the EMH's got so crowded that we quit doing it. For evening hours, we just skipped that park entirely. They were more crowded during the day and the EMH's were too crowded to be useful.

 

[StaceyHSD]

After all the downgrading Disney has done over the years, if EMH is the thing that gets you switch from value/moderate to deluxe I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you because anybody who falls for that is a sucker.