Sorcerer pass wirh no blue card?

[Chuck S]

yes, I was eves-dropping,

Don't we all? LOL

 

[TCRAIG]

My last update as a white card member is I was able to activate my kids sorcerer passes in mid December with no issue.

we’ll see how it goes for renewal…by that point we may sell our resale for one contract and buy direct to avoid all the hassle and scarlet letter of being white card members

So - you will leave the ranks of the White Card Resale Riff-Raff and join the Blue Card Bourgeois Bunch!

 

[DonMacGregor]

So - you will leave the ranks of the White Card Resale Riff-Raff and join the Blue Card Bourgeois Bunch!

The abandonment of the proletariat. Uncle Karl would not approve.

 

[nuhusky123]

Given I’m a blue card and can’t even buy an ap I have to say it really upsets me when a white card holder tries to get a sorcerer pass

in my humble opinion anyone who owns a white card and has a sorcerer pass should have their pass revoked and sold to a blue card owner yet to buy an ap

if said white card holder wants to keep their pass they should be offered a final opportunity to buy 150 points direct or surrender the ap

im sure this is not a popular opinion with many but I really believe in right and wrong and fairness. I don’t skip lines as that’s not fair to those waiting, it’s rude. Someone wanting to cheat and get a pass they are not entitled to is neither fair, nor ethical

 

[Goofyismybf]

So - you will leave the ranks of the White Card Resale Riff-Raff and join the Blue Card Bourgeois Bunch!

Never! Because I truly don’t care about “ranking “ among dvc. I just want to be able to use all the lounges and stop being told I’m not a “real” dvc member by the real bourgeoisie blue members

That and I’ll still have a white card contract…and with add-on-itis I may add more

 

[Sandisw]

Given I’m a blue card and can’t even buy an ap I have to say it really upsets me when a white card holder tries to get a sorcerer pass

in my humble opinion anyone who owns a white card and has a sorcerer pass should have their pass revoked and sold to a blue card owner yet to buy an ap

if said white card holder wants to keep their pass they should be offered a final opportunity to buy 150 points direct or surrender the ap

im sure this is not a popular opinion with many but I really believe in right and wrong and fairness. I don’t skip lines as that’s not fair to those waiting, it’s rude. Someone wanting to cheat and get a pass they are not entitled to is neither fair, nor ethical

Any white card holder who was allowed to buy and activate the pass..that loophole does seem to have closed..got it because a CM chose to allow it.

Frustrating yes, but as we said many times in the thread, there was obviously a disconnect between the rules and what CMs were doing.

Now, anyone who did slip through and gets there to activate and is denied can’t be upset because they know they are not eligible..like the people I saw.

Just like all the rules. Only those with eligible memberships are allowed perks but what a CM does at the parks is up to them.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Any white card holder who was allowed to buy and activate the pass..that loophole does seem to have closed..got it because a CM chose to allow it.

Frustrating yes, but as we said many times in the thread, there was obviously a disconnect between the rules and what CMs were doing.

Now, anyone who did slip through and gets there to activate and is denied can’t be upset because they know they are not eligible..like the people I saw.

Just like all the rules. Only those with eligible memberships are allowed perks but what a CM does at the parks is up to them.

As a member of the People's Republic of White Card holders, is there a reference guide to consistently define "member" for the purpose of identifying exactly what I'm allowed to participate in?

I'm clear on APs, but not sure for lounges or other perks that may arise.

 

[mattburmeister]

As a member of the People's Republic of White Card holders, is there a reference guide to consistently define "member" for the purpose of identifying exactly what I'm allowed to participate in?

I'm clear on APs, but not sure for lounges or other perks that may arise.

It's whatever Blue Card holders say you can or cannot participate in. Now I wonder what the hierarchy is for blue card members who got their card at 25 points vs 150 points.

 

[Sandisw]

As a member of the People's Republic of White Card holders, is there a reference guide to consistently define "member" for the purpose of identifying exactly what I'm allowed to participate in?

I'm clear on APs, but not sure for lounges or other perks that may arise.

The membership extra document on the website defines the perks and you must be eligible for those,

Pretty much pool hopping and access to TOTWL, when it was open, was available to all.

But, special events and discounts, will always be blue card only…including the membership lounge.

Pretty much, from this point, assume everything will require a qualified membership.

 

[erionm]

As a member of the People's Republic of White Card holders, is there a reference guide to consistently define "member" for the purpose of identifying exactly what I'm allowed to participate in?

The only perks White Card holders are entitled to are:
Pool Hopping (if it ever returns)
TOTWL (if it ever reopens)
DVD Rentals (if still available)

Things like dining/merchandise discounts, Epcot member lounge, special member only events, etc. all require a blue card. When it comes to dining/merchandise discounts, some CMs are just plan lazy and don't actually require the proof that they are supposed to look at before extending the discount.

 

[Sandisw]

The only perks White Card holders are entitled to are:
Park Hopping (if it ever returns)
TOTWL (if it ever reopens)
DVD Rentals (if still available)

Things like dining/merchandise discounts, Epcot member lounge, special member only events, etc. all require a blue card. When it comes to dining/merchandise discounts, some CMs are just plan lazy and don't actually require the proof that they are supposed to look at before extending the discount.

I think you mean pool hopping

 

[erionm]

I think you mean pool hopping!

Yep and corrected.

 

[Sandisw]

It's whatever Blue Card holders say you can or cannot participate in. Now I wonder what the hierarchy is for blue card members who got their card at 25 points vs 150 points.

It is not based on that…it’s based on being eligibl

It's whatever Blue Card holders say you can or cannot participate in. Now I wonder what the hierarchy is for blue card members who got their card at 25 points vs 150 points.

Anyone who is eligible is eligible…not sure your meaning here.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Any white card holder who was allowed to buy and activate the pass..that loophole does seem to have closed..got it because a CM chose to allow it.

Frustrating yes, but as we said many times in the thread, there was obviously a disconnect between the rules and what CMs were doing.

Now, anyone who did slip through and gets there to activate and is denied can’t be upset because they know they are not eligible..like the people I saw.

Just like all the rules. Only those with eligible memberships are allowed perks but what a CM does at the parks is up to them.

Given I’m a blue card and can’t even buy an ap I have to say it really upsets me when a white card holder tries to get a sorcerer pass

in my humble opinion anyone who owns a white card and has a sorcerer pass should have their pass revoked and sold to a blue card owner yet to buy an ap

if said white card holder wants to keep their pass they should be offered a final opportunity to buy 150 points direct or surrender the ap

im sure this is not a popular opinion with many but I really believe in right and wrong and fairness. I don’t skip lines as that’s not fair to those waiting, it’s rude. Someone wanting to cheat and get a pass they are not entitled to is neither fair, nor ethical

Resale only owner who was sold four DVC APs(prior to switch to Sorcerers Pass). As I stated earlier in this same, very long, thread we told multiple people both on the phone and in person that we were not eligible for a DVC AP discount and they wouldn't take no for an answer. As I also stated when iI went to renew this time(literally two weeks ago) I DID have to pay full non-DVC price.

My guess, due to a combination of reasons like the new AP options/Covid/staffing shortages/changes to physical cards, is they had a short window were they were letting everyone have the discount as it was easy for them during all the transitions. But that's since been closed.

There are multiple ways to prove you are DVC Direct outside of the wallet apps. If you digital card says ND, just work with a GS CM in person and they will sort it out.

 

[EYL]

im sure this is not a popular opinion with many but I really believe in right and wrong and fairness. I don’t skip lines as that’s not fair to those waiting, it’s rude. Someone wanting to cheat and get a pass they are not entitled to is neither fair, nor ethical

While I agree and also believe in right, wrong, and fairness, I have nothing against the white card members. It's Disney's fault for failing to inconsistently enforce the rules, and it's Disney's fault for creating this hierarchy. Heck, I've been pulled over for speeding only to see that others were driving faster than I was. I can't blame them for speeding... I blame the cops for not pulling them over instead of me!

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

The membership extra document on the website defines the perks and you must be eligible for those,

Pretty much pool hopping and access to TOTWL, when it was open, was available to all.

But, special events and discounts, will always be blue card only…including the membership lounge.

Pretty much, from this point, assume everything will require a qualified membership.

Yes. Thanks. And I've learned thru many years, there's little "always" in DVC ownership...

But my concern is DVC uses "Member" throughout their info except for that one disclaimer...So if people visit https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/discounts-perks-offers, it is confusing.

I DO have a "valid" Membership Card...This disclaimer clearly says by not buying direct, I don't even really have a DVC Membership Card at all:

"To receive any Membership Extras, purchasers must present a valid digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card along with a corresponding valid photo ID. Effective June 3, 2021, to obtain a Disney Vacation Club Membership Card, Members must accumulate a total of at least 150 Vacation Points purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc."

I'm NOT really a full "Member" since I bought resale....I'm an owner in a "Country Club" community; I get my house but the Clubhouse is only available if I pay extra.

I understand the language on the Membership Card clarifies perks, but DVD's own language says I must buy direct to "obtain a DVC Membership Card."

Was their legal team sleeping or duplicitous?

I was FULLY AWARE of this when I purchased resale & I bought exactly what I need & I'm fine with it.
But DVD has established a tiered system & in fairness to those less informed, DVD should revisit how they label owners.

Yes. I'm a dreamer.

 

[mattburmeister]

Yes. Thanks. And I've learned thru many years, there's little "always" in DVC ownership...

But my concern is DVC uses "Member" throughout their info except for that one disclaimer...So if people visit https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/discounts-perks-offers, it is confusing.

I DO have a "valid" Membership Card...This disclaimer clearly says by not buying direct, I don't even really have a DVC Membership Card at all:

"To receive any Membership Extras, purchasers must present a valid digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card along with a corresponding valid photo ID. Effective June 3, 2021, to obtain a Disney Vacation Club Membership Card, Members must accumulate a total of at least 150 Vacation Points purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc."

I'm NOT really a full "Member" since I bought resale....I'm an owner in a "Country Club" community; I get my house but the Clubhouse is only available if I pay extra.

I understand the language on the Membership Card clarifies perks, but DVD's own language says I must buy direct to "obtain a DVC Membership Card."

Was their legal team sleeping or duplicitous?

I was FULLY AWARE of this when I purchased resale & I bought exactly what I need & I'm fine with it.
But DVD has established a tiered system & in fairness to those less informed, DVD should revisit how they label owners.

Yes. I'm a dreamer.

And remember Disney will keep upping the number of points needed to be a Blue Card Member.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

And can delete, add or alter perks for EVERYONE at anytime.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

The only perks White Card holders are entitled to are:
Pool Hopping (if it ever returns)
TOTWL (if it ever reopens)
DVD Rentals (if still available)

Things like dining/merchandise discounts, Epcot member lounge, special member only events, etc. all require a blue card. When it comes to dining/merchandise discounts, some CMs are just plan lazy and don't actually require the proof that they are supposed to look at before extending the discount.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes. Thanks. And I've learned thru many years, there's little "always" in DVC ownership...

But my concern is DVC uses "Member" throughout their info except for that one disclaimer...So if people visit https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/discounts-perks-offers, it is confusing.

I DO have a "valid" Membership Card...This disclaimer clearly says by not buying direct, I don't even really have a DVC Membership Card at all:

"To receive any Membership Extras, purchasers must present a valid digital Disney Vacation Club Membership Card along with a corresponding valid photo ID. Effective June 3, 2021, to obtain a Disney Vacation Club Membership Card, Members must accumulate a total of at least 150 Vacation Points purchased directly from Disney Vacation Development, Inc."

I'm NOT really a full "Member" since I bought resale....I'm an owner in a "Country Club" community; I get my house but the Clubhouse is only available if I pay extra.

I understand the language on the Membership Card clarifies perks, but DVD's own language says I must buy direct to "obtain a DVC Membership Card."

Was their legal team sleeping or duplicitous?

I was FULLY AWARE of this when I purchased resale & I bought exactly what I need & I'm fine with it.
But DVD has established a tiered system & in fairness to those less informed, DVD should revisit how they label owners.

Yes. I'm a dreamer.

Since they made the change, they have called the blue card an membership card. The white card has Always been membership identification.

So, they have distinguished the two on their end. I have both and my white one is not called a card, and was never issued as one.

We here call it that, but DVC never has.