Is it really this bad?

d-r

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I just got off the phone with Colter, a CRO agent (BTW, we are up to 8 people now for our drinking around the world trip MLK weekend 2002 if anyone else wants to take up the challenge).

I called to book another room for our trip, and while Colter was pecking on his computer I asked "So, are things getting back to normal down there?" Colter insisted that the resorts were at the expected occupancy rates for this time of year. I told him that I heard some things on the news, and he said that he thought that the news reports had been exaggerated. He gave as an example a news clip he had seen on the local news, which showed two people walking down main street to illustrate how empty the parks were. But Colter said that the clip was filmed at 7:30 AM and the two people were cast members arriving to work. He said that the weekends were packed, and I said "a lot of locals are probably coming" and he laughed and said "yeah, they are really taking advantage of off season this year."

So, if the parks are empty during the week and packed with locals on the weekends, maybe cutting surprise mornings for a while and cutting back on hours for a while isn't so bad. I don't believe that these changes are meant to be permanent, and like a lot of seasonal changes will be removed when the place is packed again. I've been there for off season when there were bigger than expected crowds and the hours were lengthened that day, or an extra parade / fantasmic show was added, for example (I've also been there when they canceled the late fantasmic show for that night). Off season hours are always reduced, although these seem more drastic than usual. But I am guessing that they have gotten pretty good at gauging the hours vs. crowds balance at wdw and can adjust it as necessary. I'm also guessing this is why they haven't released hours yet for the next couple of months, they are probably trying to wait to get the best data possible.

So is Colter blowing me smoke, or is there some truth in what he is saying? This is an off time of year anyway, you know. I was reminded of a trip we took in Oct. of 1998 in which all of the parks seemed really empty - here are some pictures of Melissa and I - we don't get up early, we don't do early entry or anything, so these are pretty much afternoon pictures. I remember that Epcot seemed so vacant that it reminded me of a 1970/80's sci-fi movie about a post-apocoloptic world or something. I remember Melissa was joking that there would be real estate signs in front of the pavillions if this kept up. I still can't stand to see a line for living with a land because I got spoiled by walking on that trip. We never waited for anything. Melissa just said that the picture of her at Epcot was probably at about 3:00 on a Friday in Oct. 1998. The people behind me in the picture at magic kingdom are the cm's that take pictures. I guess my point is that this is off season anyway. I wonder how things will be from President's day until after Easter? I guess it depends a lot on world events.

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naw - I grew up in Florida, and socks with sandles are a sign of elder wisdom that is due respect -

But the truth is, in my experience there is no better thing to prevent disney feet than some soft cotton socks and birckenstocks. It is just too hot for the wool socks that I wear with Bircks here in Michigan. I actually tend to trade between bircks and walking tennis shoes on alternating days, if you want all my disney feet secrets. I've yet to get a disney blister (knock on wood).

DR
 
Hey d-r...I live in a college town too so I know there is nowhere and no time of year that Berks and socks aren't appropriate !
Your post echoed my question as I was reading all of the reports about how bad things are at WDW. DH and I visited in Oct 2000, which was supposed to have been a great year for attendence and we were surprised at how light the crowds were. The whole tragic sequence of events happened at the worst time for WDW. Low season, sluggish economy and pre 100 year celebration. I don't wonder that they are gasping for air at DW, but that doesn't mean there won't be a good recovery once Americans adjust to living again. Come late winter when the cabin fever is bad enough that you will do ANYTHING just to be warm and in the sun people will return IMO. :earsgirl:
 
I won't defend Disney, but what the people here seem to not realize (for that matter many of the people on Disney Internet sites) is that this is the off-season and its an extremely slow off season at that. The number of people legitematly affected by these cuts is low.

The other problem is that people love the commando vacations and the super planning. any little change can throw that off.

Personally I go to WDW and go with the flow. Whether I'm there a week or 2 days. The most I plan is to hit a specific park for a specific reason (like Epcot for the Millenium Celebration)

So learn to be less of a commando. If the parks are empty, who cares.
 
YoHo, I assume you are referring to guests and not to cm's? It sounds to me like all the cm's are taking a pretty hard blow. Guests? Well, certainly, things could be worse.....we could not have WDW at all. Reduced hours and such...I don't like it, but we'll manage.
 
To get back to the original question, I was there last week. We were there 4 days and spent one day in each park. MK was deserted. We always complain about the crowds, but having the park empty is just eerie. We sat at the hub for the new afternoon parade and sat on the stone bench in the interior of the hub. The parade passed us and we had an UNOBSTRUCTED view. TOD parade, we stood at the fence near Mexico and had another unobstructed view.
Mickey's Jamming parade, we sat on a wooden bench near Flights of Wonder with no one in front or behind us. Slight crowd for the Motorcars & Stars parade. I think the longest we waited in line was 15 minutes for IASW. Other than that we waltzed into everything.
 
I was at MK last Friday and it was crowded. It was hard to find a spot to watch the parade. I also saw huge crowds at Epcot and Animal Kingdom over the weekend. On Monday, Fantasmic was sold out. From all this news, I expected MK to be a ghost town and zero waiting time in the lines - boy, was that wrong!:rolleyes:

We had a fantastic time! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

King Triton
 

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