skier_pete
DIsney-holics Anon
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2006
OMG. You guys are the people the Disney bean counters are counting on. Build crap, put the Disney name on on it and watch it sell. Poor Walt really must be dead a thousand times over (and I hate invoking a long dead mans ideals into current time).
Is there anyone who can actully say these are good films? I mean made well, good script, good acting, good storeytelling? Yes they make money but is that really your criteria? Really? Honey boo boo and the Kardshians get good ratings and make their companies money. Do you defend them too?
Instead of playing it safe for entertaiment you are comfortable with wouldn't it be better to demand a new success? A new classic that you can fall for rather than more vanilla ice cream? I guess not.
Well, I'm going to disagree with you whole-heartedly. The first Pirates movie was great. The sequels (2 & 3) were both interesting, I enjoyed 2 a lot, especially on 2nd viewing, and the 3rd one had some really bizarre ideas in it that I liked, but ended up kind of a big mess.
On Stranger Tides was not a bad movie. I only ended up seeing it in the theatres because my car was in for repair, but I was pleasantly surprised that it was OK. Then I rented it a few months back and watched it with my wife, and we both enjoyed it. Not nearly as good as the first one as it was rather episodic without feeling like its characters had any through-story and wholly disposable, but entertaining nonetheless. I left thinking, "Well, I could watch another one of these."
Would I prefer it to be "great"? Yes, of course I would, but very few movies are "great", regardless of the talent in front of and behind the camera. I'll use "The Dark Knight Rises" as an example, a sequel to a great film that was hugely popular, it was just sort of "OK". Not bad really, but not great either. It doesn't make me hope there are no more Batman movies. Making a "great" movie is so hard to do, so many things have to go just right. And a movie being an original idea vs a franchise isn't more or less likely to "great"-ness.
James Bond is another good example...a series of movies that rarely acheives "Greatness" and sometimes is total shiite, yet i still look forward to the next one, hoping for closer to "great".
Final example is "Avengers". While I enjoyed all the previous Marvel movies, with the exeption of maybe "Iron Man I" I wouldn't put down any of them as much more than disposable entertainment...while I think "Avengers" somehow acheived greatness. This is the 5th (6th?) movie in a series that will have many many more.
So, all this leads back to the Pirates series. They made one great movie, and then 3 more that were somewhere between "great" and "terrible". If Disney wants to sink more money into another one of these movies, I'll likely go see it. I'd like them to take Rob Marshall out of the directors chair, as I think part of "On Stranger Tides" problem was somewhat poor pacing which I lay at the director's feet. But, I'm OK with them making another one.
I wonder why you are so dead set against it. Is the movie offensive to you in some way? You'd rather have them sink that money into more original properties? Like "Tron: Legacy" and "John Carter", neither of which were any better than "On Stranger Tides"? If you don't like the movies, don't go see them. This is the way I feel about the "Transformers" movies. The first one was not bad, the second one was garbage. I have yet to see the third. I haven't plunked a down on any of them in the theatre, and only saw the second a few months ago on Netflix streaming.
Comparing it to the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo is sort of sad...taking easy shots...its not even in the same ballpark. I find those shows both insulting to the audience and to the people in front of the camera. But whatever, I don't like it so therefore I don't WATCH it, never seen an episode of either. Never invested a dime in Kardashian products. But I also don't really care if they are popular or not. It doesn't surprise me, stupid stuff has always been popular with the masses. The highest rated television show of ALL TIME? "The Beverly Hillbillies" How does it affect me?
Anyways, to each his own. There are worst things that I could spend $12 on than another Pirates movie.