Child pulled into water by alligator near Grand Floridian

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So everyone that now thinks no one should be let on the beach, all parties cancelled, etc.....The fact that what happened is so rare that it's hard to comprehend it actually happened means nothing to you? Now you want everything banned?

Should Disney put up better signage? Sure, because I am now learning people need to be warned about every possibility of injury out there.

Again, I don't place blame on anyone, it was such rare, freak tragedy. But it won't hurt Disney to put up gator warning signs. But then that's it. No need to cancel beach activities at this point.
 
Someone just mentioned the word lawsuit again. Like I said earlier. I really hope there is NO lawsuit. For the sake of everyone. My input and rationalization of the situation earlier still stands. This is a tragic enough accident by itself. No doubt there will be even more changes made by Disney regardless. It is what kind of changes will occur and at what price will it cost. By everyone. Such a sad day all the same. My heart definitely goes out for this incident and every new incident that follows or especially past incidents at WDW.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Disney thinks to incorporate a waiver signed by all people going on vacation AKA the most magical place on earth with an assumption of risk and responsibility clause and inability to sue. Sad to say the world we live in today is not like it was in the 50's, 60's, 70's when we could ride bikes without helmets because back then we assumed the risk in doing stuff. Humans are humans and animals are animals. What has our world come or is coming to? :(

Imagine the increased number of signs we would see on each beach (or even the rides!) if we met others needs for super-rationalization and reasoning everywhere. How many more signs would be ignored or rationalized away to something else?

I hope the family and everyone finds it in their hearts and minds to move past this tragic incident yet never forget what transpired. I hope people in the future will do their due diligence when travelling.

I hope they find the boys body for the family. Seems as though Disney is trying everything they can for the family right now.
 
It is time for disney to get rid of these alligators. That is seriously unsafe. I have never seen anything posted at that beach saying there are alligators in the water. We have been there many times.
There isn't a way Disney can actually remove all of the alligators. Too big of a space, and it's alligator paradise in the swamps around Disney World. Perhaps, people could use more common sense and realise that animals are wild and do not always play nice with humans.
 
Nobody is to blame here. It's like being up north at a resort in the mountains or at our beautiful national parks. The mountains and national parks have all kinds of wildlife including bears, Bobcats, etc. But we still visit resorts in the mountains and visit the national parks. This is a rare and tragic event. Nobody is at fault.

You couldn't be more wrong.

If I go hiking at Grand Canyon National Park I know that I could fall or get attacked by a wild animal. This isn't a controlled environment. I'm out in nature.

If I go off-trail at Steamboat Springs and point my skis toward ungroomed trails I know that I am taking a big risk. This isn't a controlled environment. I'm out in nature.

If I watch a movie on a sandy playground at a man-made luxury resort that's specifically designed for families with kids, I assume that I am completely safe. I'm not out in nature. I'm at a hotel.

Rare event? No one at fault? I didn't know any of this today but apparently the fine folks at Disney World and the residents of Florida know the following:

Almost every body of water in Florida has an alligator in it.
Alligators can jump 7 feet vertically.
Alligators can run as fast as a horse.
Alligators lie in wait and stalk pray in the evening.
Disney World is known to have alligators on property.
Disney guests have interacted with alligators and have felt threatened.
Disney staff quietly remove adult alligators when they are informed and can find them.

...and they don't put up signs warning anyone about alligators while building scores of resorts with jungle gym's and swing sets on shallow, beach-laden waterfronts.
 
To cast blame on anyone at this point in inconceivable and just plain wrong.

Disney would have not created beaches with events (movies), seating and playgrounds along the shoreline if they thought it would put their guests in danger of an alligator attack.
The family (and others) would not play along the shoreline (and use the accommodations that Disney has provided along the shoreline) if they thought they would be in harm's way of an alligator attack.

This is a tragic accident.
Praying for all involved.
 
You couldn't be more wrong.

If I go hiking at Grand Canyon National Park I know that I could fall or get attacked by a wild animal. This isn't a controlled environment. I'm out in nature.

If I go off-trail at Steamboat Springs and point my skis toward ungroomed trails I know that I am taking a big risk. This isn't a controlled environment. I'm out in nature.

If I watch a movie on a sandy playground at a man-made luxury resort that's specifically designed for families with kids, I assume that I am completely safe. I'm not out in nature. I'm at a hotel.

Rare event? No one at fault? I didn't know any of this today but apparently the fine folks at Disney World and the residents of Florida know the following:

Almost every body of water in Florida has an alligator in it.
Alligators can jump 7 feet vertically.
Alligators can run as fast as a horse.
Alligators lie in wait and stalk pray in the evening.
Disney World is known to have alligators on property.
Disney guests have interacted with alligators and have felt threatened.
Disney staff quietly remove adult alligators when they are informed and can find them.

...and they don't put up signs warning anyone about alligators while building scores of resorts with jungle gym's and swing sets on shallow, beach-laden waterfronts.

Yes, a rare event. When is the last time someone was attacked by an alligator at Disney?
 
When I first heard the story, not knowing the resort, I thought for sure it was Ft Wilderness. Kids are in that water all the time.



I also thought it must have happened at FW when I first heard the news.

This is just horrific. I keep thinking this could have been my family. I have a 22 month old son and we were just at WDW. I recall having to make sure he stayed away from the water's edge as we walked around the lake at CSR. Not because I was worried about alligators, I just didn't want him to fall in. I have actually seen alligators at CSR but they were always young little ones.
 
The alligator population has been allowed to grow beyond a natural level because they are "protected." This has been happening to many different groups of animals all over the US. Absolutely, time to allow some alligator hunting again.
FYI - Florida's Alligator Hunting Season runs from Aug 15 thru Nov 1 this year.
 
I'm a Florida native, but I live in Nebraska, so this is doubly tragic for me.

These parents just didn't know what they didn't know. People up here see lakes and rivers as places to play.

I look at them and see death. I grew up in both South and Northern Florida. If it's a body of fresh water, deeper than your ankles, and you can't see the bottom of the entire thing, you have to assume there is a gator in it. If not a gator, a snake, or some nasty microbe. If it's salt water, there's a shark. You swim in pools or clear COLD springs, and you check those before you get in. Gators & sharks are dangerous 24/7, but they tend to feed at night.

When my DD was 11, we took a road trip to FL, and one evening we visited people with a lake house. She waded in the water a little, but as dusk came, I made her get out of the water and move away from the shoreline. Because I knew what was out there. When we moved over to a friend's condo at the beach, I made her get out of the water before dark because I know the sharks come in closer to the beach to feed at night.

As a kid, however, I had watched fly fishing shows, and used to wade into the Miami River canal at the boat ramp to my knees and fish with nasty stinking bologna. Not far from where the big kids kept putting up a rope swing - that the cops cut down regularly and lectured on the danger of gators. Sometimes, you know, but you don't really understand.

This is just the worst kind of tragedy. These people just didn't know the dangers.

And to make it worse - they witnessed it. Probably from the stories I've heard so far, a 6-8ft gator slipped in close to shore attracted by the baby splashing. A two year old is too big for a gator that size to swallow whole like its normal prey of birds, turtles, or small mammals, so it would do what gators always do - it grabbed that boy by the arm or leg and started dragging him back into the water. Kid had a moment to scream or made a splash as he was pulled down - Dad tried to grab him and pull him back, but you simply can not fight a gator in the water and win very often. Gator took that baby, drowned him, and has put him in a cut under a bank or under a snag someplace in the lake where it keeps its cache. That's why they are having trouble finding his body. They are having to look in every nook and cranny and sonar the whole lake - and it might have taken him over to the Bay Lake side or down a creek. It will be a day or two before the gators decide he's ripe enough to eat. They might find him then, but given that sweet baby isn't very big, there's a chance he will never be found or not found for years. And I know that's beyond horrifying, but that's what happens. And there are over a million gators in Florida, so you can't hunt them all or keep them out of the lagoon.

You just need to know - fresh water in FL = gators, snakes and amoebas. It's even more dangerous at dark. And little kids are no different from dogs or other small mammals in the eyes of a predator. I'm sure every one of you has seen a video of a large cat stalking a baby from behind the glass at a zoo.

God Bless those people. They came to the happiest place on earth with their kids to have a vacation - and they are leaving with their worst nightmare and possibly not even a baby to bury. Pray for them. I am.
 
So everyone that now thinks no one should be let on the beach, all parties cancelled, etc.....The fact that what happened is so rare that it's hard to comprehend it actually happened means nothing to you? Now you want everything banned?

Should Disney put up better signage? Sure, because I am now learning people need to be warned about every possibility of injury out there.

Again, I don't place blame on anyone, it was such rare, freak tragedy. But it won't hurt Disney to put up gator warning signs. But then that's it. No need to cancel beach activities at this point.

My wife can choose from scores of hotels for her national conference and we can vacation anywhere we like, so why take the risk?

And while I love Disney World and really want to believe this is a "rare, freak occurrence" the more I read about lakes and ponds and actual sightings at hotels and docks and theme parks the more I am uncomfortable about exposing my children to this. We were just there in February, and when I think of all the times at night we could have encountered an alligator or another dangerous predator it just boggles the mind:

Beach barbecue at Beach Club
Walking from EPCOT to Yacht Club along narrow canal
Jogging on path between Wilderness Lodge and Campsite/Trailer Park
Wandering looking for bus station after Hoop De Doo Musical Review
Walking to food court at Caribbean Beach Resort
 
My wife can choose from scores of hotels for her national conference and we can vacation anywhere we like, so why take the risk?

And while I love Disney World and really want to believe this is a "rare, freak occurrence" the more I read about lakes and ponds and actual sightings at hotels and docks and theme parks the more I am uncomfortable about exposing my children to this. We were just there in February, and when I think of all the times at night we could have encountered an alligator or another dangerous predator it just boggles the mind:

Beach barbecue at Beach Club
Walking from EPCOT to Yacht Club along narrow canal
Jogging on path between Wilderness Lodge and Campsite/Trailer Park
Wandering looking for bus station after Hoop De Doo Musical Review
Walking to food court at Caribbean Beach Resort

And that is your choice and your right to do that. I just would hate that choice to be taken away from people who still want to sit on the beach, etc.

Anyways, I just don't know how those parents will go on. I don't even have kids, I look at my chubby 1 year old cat and think how I'd feel if I saw him being dragged away....those parents, I feel just sick for them. How do you go on???:sad:
 
A cast member told us that the alligators are removed once they reach a certain size. The lake at CSR is not connected to other water ways like Seven Seas Lagoon is connected to Bay Lake. You make a good point about the reproducing.
 
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