Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[SierraT]

And its up to each individual surely as to how much risk they choose to take each day.

If people dont feel safe going to theme parks you can't just say that Florida's tourist industry depends on them and try to guilt them into doing something they don't feel safe doing. 72% of Americans do not feel safe going. Florida needs to accept that and implement whatever consequences they need to implement.

Where are you seeing that 72% of people do not feel safe going to a theme park? I understand people don’t want to travel but it’s because of the limitations, not because people do not feel safe.

On that, I’m out because RTeetz is going to delete me.

 

[anthony2k7]

And yet the parks are open...

But empty most of the time ...

 

[anthony2k7]

Where are you seeing that 72% of people do not feel safe going to a theme park? I understand people don’t want to travel but it’s because of the limitations, not because people do not feel safe.

On that, I’m out because RTeetz is going to delete me.

It was a survey discussed in here a day or two ago. It specifically said 72% didn't feel safe to visit theme parks right now.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

It was a survey discussed in here a day or two ago. It specifically said 72% didn't feel safe to visit theme parks right now.

I mean, I don’t know why people are shocked by this at all. There’s really a bubble on these boards of disney fanatics who are having trouble seeing why this is such an obvious thing. One other thing I’ve found interesting, anecdotally from looking at pictures of the half-empty parks, is also how few strollers there are. But of course that makes perfect sense too, since parents of kids and especially young kids are generally not going to want to risk their and their kids health right now.

 

[New Mouse]

Alot of it is centered around uncertainty involving money. No one is going to lay out $5k for a Disney vacation when they have no idea what their job status will be in the near future.

 

[anthony2k7]

I mean, I don’t know why people are shocked by this at all. There’s really a bubble on these boards of disney fanatics who are having trouble seeing why this is such an obvious thing. One other thing I’ve found interesting, anecdotally from looking at pictures of the half-empty parks, is also how few strollers there are. But of course that makes perfect sense too, since parents of kids and especially young kids are generally not going to want to risk their and their kids health right now.

I know. Step out of this thread and opinions are very different elsewhere.

I meant to look back at some live streaming earlier as I was wondering if many kids were in the park. If there isn't it would back up the opinion that its mainly vloggers/CMs and local APs in the parks to me rather than families on vacation.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I know. Step out of this thread and opinions are very different elsewhere.

I meant to look back at some live streaming earlier as I was wondering if many kids were in the park. If there isn't it would back up the opinion that its mainly vloggers/CMs and local APs in the parks to me rather than families on vacation.

I’ve seen several pictures posted of empty stroller parking around many of the rides. (And also nonexistent wait times for popular rides for kids and families (like Frozen in Epcot), when there are still some waits for the thrill rides (like test track).)

 

[mmackeymouse]

I understand what you're saying and do agree that especially during these times, it would be nice to have a guarantee that the crowd levels when we arrive are going to be something we feel comfortable with. I'm just planning to stalk the boards and watch my favorite vloggers to get a feel for what to expect when we arrive... definitely wish we could have a better way to do it. I was feeling pretty good about things until the reports about this weekend came out.

Yeah, that what is had me worried, even before this weekend happened, which only stoked the fire more.

One of the vloggers estimated that attendance has at least doubled since opening days. At least, and maybe more.

Now, I don't know what attendance was in those earlier days, but if it was 10K at MK, that means 20K at MK now....and maybe more. As has been the topic the last few pages...we don't know what the capacity limit is. So, sure, maybe it hasn't reached capacity yet. But, if attendance has doubled in less than a month, I am definitely worried for one month from now.

Like I said. They aren’t “selling out” their current capacity so why would they increase? I wouldn’t doubt that they have some but it doesn’t make much sense to continue such.

Numbers really depend on the park too. 35K at Animal Kingdom is a lot different than 35K at Epcot. Even right now each park has different capacities and that’s why you see DHS as the one that gets the closest to filling up their allotment each day.

Here's the thing. It involves a certain level of trust that Disney isn't fudging their numbers, and I just don't have that trust. Perhaps the reason they haven't been selling out at their current capacity is because they have increased the numbers for the same-day sales bucket so high, it will never reach capacity. We don't know what the same-day sales bucket is....we can only trust that they have a reasonable number in mind and that they will abide by that limit.

But, maybe a week into this whole thing, they decided to quadruple the day guest bucket....again, we don't know.

 

[TwoMisfits]

On the point of needing to give on prices...it reminds me of what my local escape room did last week.

With Covid, all rooms have to be single groups now. And everyone needs to wear a mask for the event. And you can't enter the building until they call you in. All kinda annoying, but necessary.

My local room used to have a Groupon all the time for $25/person. They got rid of it during Covid.

They reopened at regular prices of $45/person (plus a $5 cleaning fee per room). It wasn't thriving (but had a room or 2 booked a day out of 20 slots).

So, they cut the price by $20/person to what the Groupon was, $25/person, without paying the Groupon kickback...and then still kept the $5 room cleaning fee, so they make more that they did before on "sale" people.

And I booked it...and a lot of folks did. Now, they are at least half to 3/4 full for their bookable slots for the next two weeks (they don't book further out).

Sometimes, you gotta give on price to get cash rolling in.

 

[skeeter31]

Yeah, that what is had me worried, even before this weekend happened, which only stoked the fire more.

One of the vloggers estimated that attendance has at least doubled since opening days. At least, and maybe more.

Now, I don't know what attendance was in those earlier days, but if it was 10K at MK, that means 20K at MK now....and maybe more. As has been the topic the last few pages...we don't know what the capacity limit is. So, sure, maybe it hasn't reached capacity yet. But, if attendance has doubled in less than a month, I am definitely worried for one month from now.





Here's the thing. It involves a certain level of trust that Disney isn't fudging their numbers, and I just don't have that trust. Perhaps the reason they haven't been selling out at their current capacity is because they have increased the numbers for the same-day sales bucket so high, it will never reach capacity. We don't know what the same-day sales bucket is....we can only trust that they have a reasonable number in mind and that they will abide by that limit.

But, maybe a week into this whole thing, they decided to quadruple the day guest bucket....again, we don't know.

You have to trust them no matter what. Even if they were to release a number of what they’re capping attendance at, how are you going to know if they’re abiding by that number? We can’t count every single person in the park, as a guest. You have to trust them or you’ll never feel comfortable going.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Do we know that they *didn’t* include their capped attendance numbers in the plan they submitted to the county to be permitted to reopen? If they did someone should be able to get that under FL’s Sunshine Law and it seems like one of the many organizations that reports on Disney World might want to get on that.

 

[rteetz]

And its up to each individual surely as to how much risk they choose to take each day.

If people dont feel safe going to theme parks you can't just say that Florida's tourist industry depends on them and try to guilt them into doing something they don't feel safe doing. 72% of Americans do not feel safe going. Florida needs to accept that and implement whatever consequences they need to implement.

Who the heck is being guilted into going?

 

[rteetz]

Do we know that they *didn’t* include their capped attendance numbers in the plan they submitted to the county to be permitted to reopen? If they did someone should be able to get that under FL’s Sunshine Law and it seems like one of the many organizations that reports on Disney World might want to get on that.

They were not because they weren’t required by the government to be shared publicly.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

They were not because they weren’t required by the government to be shared publicly.

So the county approved a “safety plan” without knowing the number of people that Disney was capping? That seems ridiculous as well.

 

[anthony2k7]

Who the heck is being guilted into going?

You will of course deny and object, but this post of yours to paraphrase it sure sounded like you were suggesting that Florida people's jobs depends on people going so if people are willing to risk going out for groceries then they should go to theme parks as well. That's how it read to me considering you posted it in response to lack of demand right now.

The grocery store is unsafe too. No place in this country is 100% safe. Non-essential activities are still not recommended but people also need jobs and companies need money. The entire city of Orlando is based on tourism.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Yeah, that what is had me worried, even before this weekend happened, which only stoked the fire more.

One of the vloggers estimated that attendance has at least doubled since opening days. At least, and maybe more.

Now, I don't know what attendance was in those earlier days, but if it was 10K at MK, that means 20K at MK now....and maybe more. As has been the topic the last few pages...we don't know what the capacity limit is. So, sure, maybe it hasn't reached capacity yet. But, if attendance has doubled in less than a month, I am definitely worried for one month from now.





Here's the thing. It involves a certain level of trust that Disney isn't fudging their numbers, and I just don't have that trust. Perhaps the reason they haven't been selling out at their current capacity is because they have increased the numbers for the same-day sales bucket so high, it will never reach capacity. We don't know what the same-day sales bucket is....we can only trust that they have a reasonable number in mind and that they will abide by that limit.

But, maybe a week into this whole thing, they decided to quadruple the day guest bucket....again, we don't know.

I am not trying to be harsh but if you aren’t willing to trust them and take them at their word that they are operating at a reduced capacity that they deemed safe then maybe you need to just not go. They are never going to provide the kind of info you are asking for no matter how much we go back and forth about it here.

 

[Geomom]

I know. Step out of this thread and opinions are very different elsewhere.

I meant to look back at some live streaming earlier as I was wondering if many kids were in the park. If there isn't it would back up the opinion that its mainly vloggers/CMs and local APs in the parks to me rather than families on vacation.

We just got back from a 2 week trip to Disney, we saw families with little kids there, certainly not as many as usual, but there were some.. When we were at Epcot Thursday we saw a group ahead of us in line for Frozen with matching shirts, overheard them talking...there were 92 of them in the park, each shirt numbered for their spot in the family from grandparents down to the babies (and the shirts had each person's name.) We saw a different group of them at MK Friday on Jungle cruise...with numbers 91 and 92...the littlest one in a front carrier, maybe 4 mths old? We were surprised people would do family reunions at Disney right now. So it's not just vloggers and local APs there now. We kept our trip as we're DVC with active APs, cheap airfare, and the kids are 16 and 20--we knew we would all be able to follow the guidelines...and we all needed a little magic after 4 mths of staying home. It was a relaxing trip and a good mental break.

 

[anthony2k7]

We just got back from a 2 week trip to Disney, we saw families with little kids there, certainly not as many as usual, but there were some.. When we were at Epcot Thursday we saw a group ahead of us in line for Frozen with matching shirts, overheard them talking...there were 92 of them in the park, each shirt numbered for their spot in the family from grandparents down to the babies (and the shirts had each person's name.) We saw a different group of them at MK Friday on Jungle cruise...with numbers 91 and 92...the littlest one in a front carrier, maybe 4 mths old? We were surprised people would do family reunions at Disney right now. So it's not just vloggers and local APs there now. We kept our trip as we're DVC with active APs, cheap airfare, and the kids are 16 and 20--we knew we would all be able to follow the guidelines...and we all needed a little magic after 4 mths of staying home. It was a relaxing trip and a good mental break.

I guess if you have organised a trip of 92 people you may be a little more determined to go ahead with it regardless of whatever is going on!

 

[SaintsManiac]

I don’t remember who mentioned it, but I’m watching Tim Tracker from 5 days ago at the MK and there are kids in the park.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I don’t remember who mentioned it, but I’m watching Tim Tracker from 5 days ago at the MK and there are kids in the park.

I don’t think there’s no kids, and maybe the numbers have ticked up in recent days, but there were a lot of empty stroller parking pics posted in this very thread, and wait times on popular kids rides do seem to be more down compared to the thrill rides.