CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[StacyStrong]

This is not a great post.

I agree. Mine wasn't. But, I also don't think yours was either.

 

[Jonfw2]

The peak of cases last year, excluding the winter wave, happened at the height of summer.

So, excluding the time we had 255,000 cases per day...the peak was at around where we are now?

That's some bizarre logic right there.

 

[godisney14]

So, excluding the time we had 255,000 cases per day...the peak was at around where we are now?

That's some bizarre logic right there.

Didn’t we already go through this last year?
After the first initial “wave”, the thought was cases would stay low because of summer. Yet, cases peaked again in July.
This is all about how people behave, and not about seasons, is what I’m trying to get at.

 

[rjb123]

Where are you located?

NC but one of the girls lives in Florida. I suspect that many kids will have long term issues but because they are not active (so many couch potatoes these days!) they won't realize it until they get older. I believe that athletes are simply discovering these issues because they are so active and they are more in tune with their bodies than the average teen who is busy drinking Starbucks and eating pizza while on snap chat.

 

[RamblingMad]

Yes, that is possible, but all of those people you're describing have the chance to get the vax, and if they don't then it is their own doing. We will be WAY beyond the point where Covid can overwhelm hospitals, etc. Time to move on at that point, well before that point actually.

I don’t think so. The antivaxxers for COVID vaccines are clustered in specific areas. While the country overall numbers might one day reach herd immunity, there will be portions of the country that don’t. You can already see this in vaccine availability. The areas more resistant have lots of open appointments while the areas that want it don’t. This is going to be the biggest challenge until we can make it mandatory.

 

[AvidDisReader]

What I see is that since there is such poor messaging from CDC and many government officials that too many are just plain scared. Even with all the great reports of total number of people vaccinated and getting their first shot. What is not considered a risk to many (mostly those vaccinated) is considered irresponsible to others. So I ask I rhetorical question: Is it fair to tell now 31% of the adult fully vaccinated people to continue to use masks? At what point do we look at the science and allow them to take any precautions they feel is warranted (or not take precautions as the case may be). I do not want to make this sound that if an individual wants to wear a mask that they shouldn't, but do not tell me what I should do.

 

[Jmljasmine]

My second dose of Pfizer gave me flu like symptoms for about 6 hours. As crappy as I felt, I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

And to put into perspective, COVID made me feel worse then the flu for 2 weeks so the vaccine is still milder.

 

[RamblingMad]

What I see is that since there is such poor messaging from CDC and many government officials that too many are just plain scared. Even with all the great reports of total number of people vaccinated and getting their first shot. What is not considered a risk to many (mostly those vaccinated) is considered irresponsible to others. So I ask I rhetorical question: Is it fair to tell now 31% of the adult fully vaccinated people to continue to use masks? At what point do we look at the science and allow them to take any precautions they feel is warranted (or not take precautions as the case may be). I do not want to make this sound that if an individual wants to wear a mask that they shouldn't, but do not tell me what I should do.

When community spread stops, a R0 below one and a positivity rate below 5%.

 

[Joe in VA]

When community spread stops, a R0 below one and a positivity rate below 5%.

Refreshing to see a clear and concise answer on this.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Is it fair to tell now 31% of the adult fully vaccinated people to continue to use masks?

Rhetorical or not I simply don't care about the mask issue enough to make such a stink about it. I'm more annoyed it's snowing today...in late april..when it was a great day yesterday.

I recognize that a visual symbol is a big one and if wearing a mask when I'm at Walmart or at a restaurant will encourage others by visual clues to wear one, who I have no idea are vaccinated or not when vaccinations still have a ways to go in my area, I'm okay with it. I kinda care more about my community than myself.

 

[jlwhitney]

It is interesting how many people see masks as the thing they want to go away. I'd rather wear a mask forever and be able to go to events and gatherings that don't allow for social distancing, but it seems like most people feel the other way - they're okay with distancing, which means a continued pause on large events, as long as they don't have to wear masks.

Masks are miserable to us we would rather not pay money to go places to have to wear one, so for us they are the big factor in what we do. I can't stand pictures in them also and so if masks cant come off for photos nope not going. Not everyone has that view and that is okay but we will continue waiting and going to places where we don't have to wear them or only very minimally and that the kids don't have to wear much. Good news is there has been plenty of things for us to do and now even more as more places are dropping masks.

 

[leahgoogle]

Masks are miserable to us we would rather not pay money to go places to have to wear one, so for us they are the big factor in what we do. I can't stand pictures in them also and so if masks cant come off for photos nope not going. Not everyone has that view and that is okay but we will continue waiting and going to places where we don't have to wear them or only very minimally and that the kids don't have to wear much. Good news is there has been plenty of things for us to do and now even more as more places are dropping masks.

We agree! We will wear them if required, but take them off as soon as we can. They really make me uncomfortable breathing back in my hot breath. Luckily, the mask mandate for our state was lifted so there are more places not requiring masks.

 

[jlwhitney]

What I see is that since there is such poor messaging from CDC and many government officials that too many are just plain scared. Even with all the great reports of total number of people vaccinated and getting their first shot. What is not considered a risk to many (mostly those vaccinated) is considered irresponsible to others. So I ask I rhetorical question: Is it fair to tell now 31% of the adult fully vaccinated people to continue to use masks? At what point do we look at the science and allow them to take any precautions they feel is warranted (or not take precautions as the case may be). I do not want to make this sound that if an individual wants to wear a mask that they shouldn't, but do not tell me what I should do.

Bottom line is tell people fully vaccinated means no masks a bunch of those on the fence would run out and get them. Until that point they will continue to wait because nothing will change for them so they would rather not risk a new vaccine. Most people aren't true anti vaxxers.

 

[JLTraveling]

When community spread stops, a R0 below one and a positivity rate below 5%.

I'm not sure that's even an ideal metric in a vacuum. I'm in New Orleans. Our positivity rate has been below 5% for most of the pandemic (except for brief spikes for two weeks in July and a month after the holidays). It's currently sitting at 0.7%. Our R0 has been hanging out just below one (anywhere from 0.76 to 0.98) since the middle of January. We also have one of the best vaccination rates in the country, at about 42% first dose and 32% fully vaccinated. But we still have a mask mandate and some capacity restrictions. Why? Because we're not an island. The rest of the state is severely lagging on vaccinations. We're a tourist hotspot. Since we were one of the earliest cities hit thanks to Mardi Gras 2020, we know we're not invincible and we know it can turn on a dime. So I think the WHOLE country (if not the world) needs to get to where we're at before we let go of everything altogether.

 

[RamblingMad]

I'm not sure that's even an ideal metric in a vacuum. I'm in New Orleans. Our positivity rate has been below 5% for most of the pandemic (except for brief spikes for two weeks in July and a month after the holidays). It's currently sitting at 0.7%. Our R0 has been hanging out just below one (anywhere from 0.76 to 0.98) since the middle of January. We also have one of the best vaccination rates in the country, at about 42% first dose and 32% fully vaccinated. But we still have a mask mandate and some capacity restrictions. Why? Because we're not an island. The rest of the state is severely lagging on vaccinations. We're a tourist hotspot. Since we were one of the earliest cities hit thanks to Mardi Gras 2020, we know we're not invincible and we know it can turn on a dime. So I think the WHOLE country (if not the world) needs to get to where we're at before we let go of everything altogether.

It’s going to take years to get there. COVID is blowing up in India. And parts of the world can’t even get vaccinated.

 

[JLTraveling]

It’s going to take years to get there. COVID is blowing up in India. And parts of the world can’t even get vaccinated.

I know. Which makes me really not sure what the right answers are. We can't live with restrictions forever, I definitely get that. But we're so porous, just going community by community and basing things on those numbers doesn't feel right either.

 

[RamblingMad]

I know. Which makes me really not sure what the right answers are. We can't live with restrictions forever, I definitely get that. But we're so porous, just going community by community and basing things on those numbers doesn't feel right either.

I’d prefer to stick to actual metrics, rather than gut feel.

But as long as we allow travel to places with community spread, it will persist. The Gates Foundation has been trying to eradicate polio for years now. And we’re still seeing cases of the measles pop up in antivaxxer communities in the states. Both should be gone.

I’ll feel a lot better once kids can start getting vaccinated. In AZ the governor lifted the mask mandate in K-12 schools. Kids are going to be little disease carriers come this fall.

 

[jlwhitney]

I’d prefer to stick to actual metrics, rather than gut feel.

But as long as we allow travel to places with community spread, it will persist. The Gates Foundation has been trying to eradicate polio for years now. And we’re still seeing cases of the measles pop up in antivaxxer communities in the states. Both should be gone.

I’ll feel a lot better once kids can start getting vaccinated. In AZ the governor lifted the mask mandate in K-12 schools. Kids are going to little disease carriers come this fall.

There has already been full school districts with no masks all year and they haven’t had any significant problems either.

 

[chad_1138]

There has already been full school districts with no masks all year and they haven’t had any significant problems either.

Absolutely. I am a high school teacher in Indiana, and we have been in person all school year. Masks are required only in the hallway during passing periods. We have had some positive cases during the school year, but none have them have been traced to school. All of our positive cases have occurred outside of school. Kids are safer in school than out running around.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

No, I do not believe in forced vaccination, but if you do not get vaccinated than do not cry if you get COVID, and maybe we are just going to accept a lower percent to declare herd immunity if a large portion of people refuse to get vaccinated. Masks are not legal, 2 Supreme court justices have so mentioned that Civil liberties have been trampled on in the name of COVID-- we just have not yet had a case go to the Supreme court yet to challenge. And again, who is anyone to tell someone what is objectionable, speak for yourself but do not generalize for others.

So clearly you don’t understand a lot of this.

First, you can’t just change the threshold for what constitutes herd immunity. We may never get there, which is a different story, but it’s not an arbitrary number.

Second, two justices giving an opinion outside of a ruling doesn’t make anything illegal. Also, civil liberties doesn’t automatically mean masks.

Lastly, you used the word objectionable. While I did say it was a dramatic word (and I still think it is), I actually asked what about a mask you find objectionable. And yet you can’t answer it?