SAP+ ?

[gobears157]

Yeah, then you definitely want to own AUL and not a WDW resort.

Also, smaller contracts are generally considered because they are easier to resell if needed.

Also, there is nothing wrong with negotiating down to $90pp on an unsubsidized...especially if it has loaded points.

Relative to most of the subsidized contracts that want $130-$140 you will be better off with the unsubsidized.

I'm with you -- I got my unsubsidized contract at $87pp. Like several of you advised, maybe I should simply make some aggressive offers on some unsubsidized contracts. I can't believe some of the ROFR successes below $80pp!

 

[Genie+]

I'm with you -- I got my unsubsidized contract at $87pp. Like several of you advised, maybe I should simply make some aggressive offers on some unsubsidized contracts. I can't believe some of the ROFR successes below $80pp!

I think sticking with AUL is good advice, along with adding on to your existing contract.

The best fit and price overall would drive my decision. I’d keep looking/offering on both sub and unsubbed.

 

[Genie+]

Am I setting myself up for issues and headaches?

So my new plan of attack is…
WDW
CCV 50-75pts
AKV 25pts
BWV 25pts

Also at DLR (no issues)
VGC 75

What kind of issues am I going to run into booking with 3 different resorts? (possibly all same UY, possibly not, but still will fit my travel window. Oct-Feb)

Things I’m wondering about are:
1. Booking will only let me do a couple days at a time based on whichever contract I’m using?

2. Walking is basically impossible

3. Trying to switch stuff at 7 months (especially if I booking 2 studios)

I think you’ve already decided to double up one resort and that’s likely best.

Smaller contracts are harder to use for a few reasons. We have a smaller BWV contract that typically we always use more than 1 year of points for a stay and reservation changes risk leaving dangling points. It’s harder to manage than our bigger contract which has more room to pivot. It gets tricky - say you have 8 points left on ‘23, use all of ‘24 and borrow 5pts from ‘25. If you need to drop a day or you found availability to change to lower point view, you can bank those extra points from current year but now a wrench has been thrown in to the alternate years plan. It’s easier to shake it out if you like split stays. How confident are you that won’t change in the future though. Walking is harder on smaller contract too when you’re trying for weekdays or lower point months. You’ll need more points to walk than your reservation, which goes back into the first tricky issue. Paying the small contract premium is worth it but could become regrettable if you later decide you need to add on, or start combining contracts at 7 months due to running into dangler issues. If you have AKV and want ~100pts more at CCV or BWV, I’d not get less than 50pts at either and more likely would pick just one while looking at 100-125pt resales.

 

[Chili327]

I think you’ve already decided to double up one resort and that’s likely best.

Smaller contracts are harder to use for a few reasons. We have a smaller BWV contract that typically we always use more than 1 year of points for a stay and reservation changes risk leaving dangling points. It’s harder to manage than our bigger contract which has more room to pivot. It gets tricky - say you have 8 points left on ‘23, use all of ‘24 and borrow 5pts from ‘25. If you need to drop a day or you found availability to change to lower point view, you can bank those extra points from current year but now a wrench has been thrown in to the alternate years plan. It’s easier to shake it out if you like split stays. How confident are you that won’t change in the future though. Walking is harder on smaller contract too when you’re trying for weekdays or lower point months. You’ll need more points to walk than your reservation, which goes back into the first tricky issue. Paying the small contract premium is worth it but could become regrettable if you later decide you need to add on, or start combining contracts at 7 months due to running into dangler issues. If you have AKV and want ~100pts more at CCV or BWV, I’d not get less than 50pts at either and more likely would pick just one while looking at 100-125pt resales.

Love the examples... that's what I'm actually waiting to see, is what will happen when I try to book something, so examples are great to help see how it'll go.
Also, I'm not stacking any contracts the CCV is just a contract somewhere between 50-75 ish, not 2 contract (one of each size)

Also I am very easy going and VERY flexible with split stays, etc.. so it may just take me a couple years/trips to figure out what I really want/need. I'll likely just book what i can, when i can & probably love it.

 

[DVChris]

Don’t forget to include HARPTA (Hawaii real property tax) as part of your calculation when selling an Aulani contract. The tax is currently 7.25% and escrow will deduct this tax from your final payment.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Don’t forget to include HARPTA (Hawaii real property tax) as part of your calculation when selling an Aulani contract. The tax is currently 7.25% and escrow will deduct this tax from your final payment.

Between Hawaii tax and broker fees…. it definitely makes renting the points more attractive than selling at certain prices….

 

[Lorana]

I totally get it. I think most people think BRV isn't a good option because of the 2042 expiration and figure...why not just buy CCV? I think I recall a lot of people giving that advice when I was trying to figure out what to do. And I get that CCV would be a better value. And maybe down the road we would want to have points there. But I liked the way the BRV building was off on it's own a bit. So to me, the best "value" isn't necessarily the most important thing to me. A better financial deal doesn't mean the most to me.

We bought into BRV before CCV because we also loved it more AND it had studios that slept 5 (important when it came to our boys, who wouldn’t share a bed). Of course we’ve since bought into CCV, primarily because we love the Wilderness Lodge and don’t want to lose priority access when BRV expires.

 

[ClaraOswald]

We bought into BRV before CCV because we also loved it more AND it had studios that slept 5 (important when it came to our boys, who wouldn’t share a bed). Of course we’ve since bought into CCV, primarily because we love the Wilderness Lodge and don’t want to lose priority access when BRV expires.

Have you found the CCV rooms to be louder or less 'peaceful' than over at BRV? That's one of the things that has kept me from considering CCV. We really loved the quiet of BRV, even if it meant the walk to Roaring Fork and the boat launch were a little farther. I wonder if the main building would seem too hectic and not as relaxing to us.

 

[disneylandtour]

I have the exact opposite experience. CCV is quieter than BRV. BRV is the only DVC where I've been deeply aware of what others are doing in rooms around me. The studios, at least, at CCV are pretty far from the lobby.

 

[ClaraOswald]

Interesting. I've seen people mention CCV being loud so that's why I've been worried. And also just if the "vibe" is more hectic.

Same kind of thing makes me less interested in Poly and maybe even VGF, to a certain degree.

 

[Chili327]

Interesting. I've seen people mention CCV being loud so that's why I've been worried. And also just if the "vibe" is more hectic.

Same kind of thing makes me less interested in Poly and maybe even VGF, to a certain degree.

I've thought/felt the same.. Poly just seems so busy & hectic, & the new tower is just going to make it worse. Otherwise it would be higher on my SAP+ list.

 

[DVChris]

I find the CCV rooms that face BRV to be quieter.

 

[LittleBitGoofy]

I find the CCV rooms that face BRV to be quieter.

That's what we had, a 2bd ccv facing towards brv. It was very quiet.

 

[Lorana]

Have you found the CCV rooms to be louder or less 'peaceful' than over at BRV? That's one of the things that has kept me from considering CCV. We really loved the quiet of BRV, even if it meant the walk to Roaring Fork and the boat launch were a little farther. I wonder if the main building would seem too hectic and not as relaxing to us.

I think it depends on where in the wing you are. I admit I love the rooms that are actually overlooking or right nearby the main lobby on higher floors, because I love being able to look down at it. But those rooms can be a little “louder.” And I like being in the main lodge. That said, I like the aesthetic of BRV a little better, even if it’s gone from a more northwestern to more southwestern theming.

 

[RuntheMouse]

Have you found the CCV rooms to be louder or less 'peaceful' than over at BRV? That's one of the things that has kept me from considering CCV. We really loved the quiet of BRV, even if it meant the walk to Roaring Fork and the boat launch were a little farther. I wonder if the main building would seem too hectic and not as relaxing to us.

We own at BRV and love the peacefulness of it. I did spend 1 night this past October at CCV and don’t have anything remarkable to say about the noise. I was facing the BRV pool and it was lovely. If there is a noise difference between the two, it’s so minimal that it’s unlikely to have an impact on your stay.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I find the CCV rooms that face BRV to be quieter.

Yeah. We own at BRV (obviously), but did stay once in a CCV studio on the pool side of the building, top floor (#6135), and the sound from the pool was loud. It was way on the end, so we did see some fireworks, but another word of caution: all of the top floor balconies (on both sides of the building) are closed wall, not open railings, so you can't look down unless you're standing up.

 

[ClaraOswald]

Yeah...I really wouldn't want to end up on the pool-side. That's what really keeps me from considering CCV over BRV at this point.

 

[KimMcGowan]

Yeah...I really wouldn't want to end up on the pool-side. That's what really keeps me from considering CCV over BRV at this point.

That is funny because even though we own at CC, and I always wish for pool facing, we always get rooms facing BR. . ( I know I could ask for a specific side - but we are more of the just take what we get kind of people.)

 

[BrianLo]

I’m a SAP+ mantra believer. I’m a little more scaled up than you Chili, with mostly 50pt contracts, but it works well when one is banking and borrowing reliably (which I will be).

I like split stays. Like if I didn’t have multiple contracts, I’d still want split stays. It’s just the nature of WDW, they make it so easy to ship off your stuff, go to a park and then roll into your new hotel.

Particularly the progression from a MK area hotel to a Epcot area hotel works well. I liked getting out of VGF, going to Epcot and then taking the sky liner to RIV to check In.

My contracts are now;
SSR 50
VGF 50 - direct
RIV 50 - direct
CCV 50 (counting my eggs before they hatch)
VDH 75 - direct
Aulani 100

I *think* I’m almost done, CCV kind of came out of the blue since it sort of declined precipitously with ROFR stopping. I actually think my VGF points are going to get used for a lot of more traditional SAP now (especially with eligibility at future resorts) and I hope to add on to Poly (50p) when it comes back down to reality. That’s a few years out as I really don’t need any of these points right now. SSR will probably get cycled out first in a decade. Unless it keeps dropping and just warrants riding the length of the contract out.

 

[Chili327]

I have so many questions!!

I’m a SAP+ mantra believer. I’m a little more scaled up than you Chili, with mostly 50pt contracts

YES!!

I like split stays. Like if I didn’t have multiple contracts, I’d still want split stays. It’s just the nature of WDW, they make it so easy to ship off your stuff, go to a park and then roll into your new hotel.

Agree, i love that aspect. I'm not sure the benefit for WDW to do that, but i love that they do!!

My contracts are now;
SSR 50
VGF 50 - direct
RIV 50 - direct
CCV 50 (counting my eggs before they hatch)
VDH 75 - direct
Aulani 100

I *think* I’m almost done, CCV kind of came out of the blue since it sort of declined precipitously with ROFR stopping. I actually think my VGF points are going to get used for a lot of more traditional SAP now (especially with eligibility at future resorts) and I hope to add on to Poly (50p) when it comes back down to reality. That’s a few years out as I really don’t need any of these points right now. SSR will probably get cycled out first in a decade. Unless it keeps dropping and just warrants riding the length of the contract out.

So your 175 of direct gets you benefits right? (even though none are 100 or bigger, which i think is a new rule)

but it works well when one is banking and borrowing reliably (which I will be).

What kind of issues or speedbumps have you run into when booking with a bunch of small contracts.? I'm well on my way to a basket full of 25, 50 & 75 point contracts, but I'm starting to think I may need bigger ones for ease of booking, just not sure I'm seeing the issue yet (except for my wasted 4 points from VGC this year. lol)