RIV is 2.5x the size of VGF. 5 million unsold RIV points sitting there at a ridiculous rack rate + another 5 millions at Aulani are the size of 4 VGFs. Maybe not a huge deal when resorts were selling out with cash and Disney was flush with cash, but right now, that's a problem.
People don’t like the resale restrictions and the fact that you can see Caribbean Beach from your window. But the obsession is insane. I Have data science training, and wrote a quick website scraper. There are some people on this site where negative posts about riviera account for over 50% of their posts.
Those are all post-Covid issues. I've been referring to the pre-covid sales numbers - the pre-march data simply does not support the poor sales narrative.
It’s the most off putting part of this entire site. I love riviera, like my deal, and understand timeshares. I don’t want to feel like a second class citizen because some people don’t like the design of a resort.
It’s the most off putting part of this entire site. I love riviera, like my deal, and understand timeshares. I don’t want to feel like a second class citizen because some people don’t like the design of a resort.
I don’t want to feel like a second class citizen because some people don’t like the design of a resort.
I agree about the lobby and wish it was big and breathtaking Jambo house style. But having stayed in multiple places in france (including on the Riviera) I do think maybe the small lobby was intentional as most hotel lobbies in France are small. Even at some of the really nice (and expensive!) Marriotts.I was very unenthusiastic about the Riviera from concept art and opening photos, but then stayed in the Martinique section of CBR in January and we walked over to the Riviera almost every evening. It was absolutely lovely.
The lobby was honestly underwhelming, but the rest of the public areas were MUCH better themed and more pleasant in person than I expected. What I had thought was "generic luxury hotel" was actually exquisite in real life.
I wouldn't buy there because I ride-or-die for PVB, but I certainly would never fault anybody for falling in love with it and wanting to call it Home.
You're right - so many points yet to sell and resale restrictions do scare some people off - a scary place to be for sure. Hopefully it won't take as long to sell as Aulani has. That said, it is a lot of points so should take more time than some DVC properties did to sell out. I think the point about pre-Covid sales is that it's a better way of comparing how sales were going before this unusual time hit. None of the other properties had a period where everything literally shut down. It will be impossible to do direct comparisons from here on out. But certainly will be fun and interesting to see how sales fluctuate with time and how long it does take to sell out. All very fascinating.I'm not sure why anyone cares what the sales rate was before Covid. That number doesn't matter much to the 10 million points sitting there now, that's just math. 10 million points worth of holding a bag is a scary place to be right now.
I agree with you 100% but this is not new. There was similar animosity towards VGF when it first opened and for very similar reasons (high point chart, high MFs, no walking path to the parks).People don’t like the resale restrictions and the fact that you can see Caribbean Beach from your window. But the obsession is insane. I Have data science training, and wrote a quick website scraper. There are some people on this site where negative posts about riviera account for over 50% of their posts.
Why is there such disdain for riviera? I haven’t ever seen such negative comments about any other DVC property. It’s mind boggling to me.
you would think the resort is absolutely horrendous or something the way people talk about it.
Aulani and RIV are huge. I think it's pretty obvious that DVD did not want Aulani at 50% and RIV 20% at this point. They were trying to expand DVC on a huge scale and print money, not shuffle around points from ROFR for a few bucks margin.
You're not a second class citizen, that's me -- well technically I'm like 6th class?. The third class, well, 7th?, class citizen is the resale buyer of your contract. I'd argue math is better down here in the cheap seats.
RIV's policies (made by Disney) matter, because they have collapsed the thing that made DVC hold its value and not just be another timeshare you have to pay to get out of. The resale restrictions matter to us all, as do the constantly shifting rules and policies and benefits and procedures. That's why we are all on these boards.
I'm not sure why anyone cares what the sales rate was before Covid. That number doesn't matter much to the 10 million points sitting there now, that's just math. 10 million points worth of holding a bag is a scary place to be right now.
And hey, maybe I'll be a RIV owner too if its resale is worthless in a few years.
I agree, and as an SSR owner, I can relate to the DVC-shaming!It’s the most off putting part of this entire site. I love riviera, like my deal, and understand timeshares. I don’t want to feel like a second class citizen because some people don’t like the design of a resort.
Disneyland Tower is going to be a tough sell.