Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[CrimsonRave]

I think you open at orange at 25%, that seems do-able, get rid of the distance requirements, and at yellow you expand to say 35%-50%. That way over time (minimum of 3 weeks) you can prep for expanding.

But that aside, these requirements are fine for the first couple, the others are just nuts and extreme. No profit for them I doubt the open until restrictions are lifted further.

 

[AZMermaid]

But is it Disney's (or any other Theme Parks) responsibility to operate in a way that supports the neighboring businesses?

No it isn’t. But Id hope the Governor would consider their needs as well. There is no other sector that is limited by distance of guests. If the whole state was closed, like northeastern states did/are or Hawaii, that would be one thing. But it seems silly to me to say “hey we are open. But you can’t go to the top reasons you might come.” But to also be fair, we cancelled our San Francisco Xmas trip because so much is still closed. But it’s closed to all. Either open or close, but to everyone. I hope the delay in plans is addressing the hypocrisy in this plan. I’m guessing they aren’t checking IDs at indoor malls? Restaurants? Movie theaters (when they open, are they open?). If you have 25% capacity and required masks, are people from Phoenix or San Francisco or even NY that much bigger of a threat?

 

[bassgirl]

I would bet money on it being the "Yellow" requirement (if accurate) that is the main issue, the travel/residency requirement isn't as a big of an issue. I don't think the capacity in an issue because it is pretty on target with other entertainment venues.

I can for see a requirement for the region (Orange, LA, San Diego) to be in the designated color (my guess is it will be Orange) before the parks of that region can reopen. That way all those traveling to the park are coming from the same tier.

"The travel/residency requirement isn't as a big of an issue." I beg to differ. It kind of slaps everyone else in the face who wouldn't be in the right area. There are people from outside the area who can travel just as safely as people within the area and they can also act just as responsibly. I think the residency thing is a big deal. It wouldn't be very "Disney" of them to go with that idea. Thanks for letting me share my opinion with you.

 

[lcp9]

"The travel/residency requirement isn't as a big of an issue." I beg to differ. It kind of slaps everyone else in the face who wouldn't be in the right area. Their are people from outside the area who can travel just as safely as people within the area and they can also act just as responsibly. I think the residency thing is a big deal. It wouldn't be very "Disney" of them to go with that idea. Thanks for letting me share my opinion with you.

also seems like a logistical nightmare to figure out whose APs are ok, who isn’t allowed to use theirs yet, etc. also seems like there might be decent standing for a lawsuit on someone’s behalf. I bet someone with deep pockets with APs outside the radius would find a way to legally express their displeasure that they can’t use the passes they’ve paid for because of Newsom’s arbitrary mileage.

 

[midnight star]

The distance thing is also annoying considering you can travel to ANYWHERE throughout the state. There are no quarantine rules or anything. Yet, theme parks are singled out in who is allowed to come...doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

[disneychrista]

"The travel/residency requirement isn't as a big of an issue." I beg to differ. It kind of slaps everyone else in the face who wouldn't be in the right area.

I am looking at it from the THEME PARKS view. They are likely to meet the capacity limits most days drawing people from that 120 miles. The travel limit is within already current guidelines.

From the covid19.ca.gov webiste

You can travel for urgent matters or if such travel is essential to your permitted work. Even though businesses around the state are opening up, avoid travelling long distances for vacations or pleasure as much as possible.

 

[Aurora0427]

But is it Disney's (or any other Theme Parks) responsibility to operate in a way that supports the neighboring businesses?

I do feel bad that so many businesses are struggling. But the same is true for many areas. Not just those in areas surrounding Disneyland and other Theme Parks.

Yes?! Those businesses all sprang up BECAUSE Disneyland is in Anaheim. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

 

[goodeats]

That says "avoid" not that you are restricted from travelling.

Mammoth Mountain was open all summer for biking (closed now due to fires), and is planning to open for winter skiing. Can you imagine if the state tried to tell them they couldn't have people from over 120 miles away? Same with Yosemite.

If the state was serious about no travel they would implement a quarantine like New York state does.

 

[NorthernCalMom]

"The travel/residency requirement isn't as a big of an issue." I beg to differ.

Same here. We are in SF. Our COVID numbers are lower than those in Orange County. Our city has stringent mask requirements and broad support for those requirements among the vast majority of our residents. We are planning to drive down (rather than fly, to minimize risk) to Anaheim in November (the week before Thanksgiving). We got a good rate at Paradise Pier (had to cancel an earlier trip and managed to get the rebooking discount) and figured that we'd hang out, go to DTD, visit friends in Southern Cal, and, if the stars align just right and we're crazy lucky, get to do the parks (our kids know that the latter is highly unlikely at this point, but it's fun to dream). I am baffled that those proposed guidelines would consider us, due to our main residence being outside of that 120 mile zone, an inappropriate risk factor and thus not welcome in the parks. It's one thing to not luck out in some kind of mad dash for limited reservations or to not win a lottery. It's an entirely other thing to be (what feels like) "banned" from even entering into whatever means of distribution they end up choosing. If Disney is forced to ban anybody who is more than a two hour drive away, won't that mean they may have a hard time finding guests willing to pay the premiums for their on-site resort hotels? What about good neighborhood hotels? Why would anybody decide to stay there, if they can make it a (much cheaper) day trip and simply drive home afterwards?

I do get restrictions to travelers from states, whose case numbers are surging. There are real risks involved here. But a blank "no, you're not local; we don't want you here" rule seems cruel, arbitrary, and hurtful to all the hotels in the area.

Just another opinion...

 

[TikiTikiFan]

I do get restrictions to travelers from states, whose case numbers are surging. There are real risks involved here. But a blank "no, you're not local; we don't want you here" rule seems cruel, arbitrary, and hurtful to all the hotels in the area.

I’m in Colorado and we’ve had plenty of tourists from CA and even some folks hide out here in the mountains as refuge when cases got so high there (like our famed Disney journalist Carly ) but then I can’t come to Disneyland despite living in a state (and town.. our area has some of the lowest numbers) with a much lower case count? But I can go to other areas in CA? I’m really, really hoping they can get that negotiated out. If we have a capacity limit anyways, we’re not going to see swarms of tourists depending upon CA. It’s just so complicated and feels unfair on so many levels.

I’m ready to come support that Anaheim economy- just let me, Newsom!

 

[AZMermaid]

From the covid19.ca.gov webiste

Which is interesting. Here in AZ, you can’t make it through one set of commercials without the city of San Diego begging us to come visit and reminding us kids are free in October.

 

[disneychrista]

Which is interesting. Here in AZ, you can’t make it through one set of commercials without the city of San Diego begging us to come visit and reminding us kids are free in October.

I have seen the travel ads too. Today Hulu started running WDW holiday commercials.

The biggest thing I think people are forgetting is that even though some of the restrictions have been lifted we are technically still under a "Stay at Home" order in California. Of course there is nothing stopping people from going out and doing things. There is no way to enforce an all out travel ban. It is not like they can or would put up road blocks to all the entry points of the various (58) counties. Limiting travel to tourist destinations by limiting entry to those within a certain distance is about the most that the State can do.

 

[olafgypsy]

Been lurking on this thread for a while because I was hoping to plan a trip for January. Surely the parks will be open by that point, right?!! LOL, seems naive to believe that now.....

Anyway, I’m pretty shocked at the rumor that one of the proposed guidelines was 25% capacity in yellow tier. So once the pandemic abates in 2 years or so, the parks are allowed to go to...50%? Forever?

My theory: Newsom is a secret Dis-er and he just wants uncrowded parks for his visits for the rest of time!

 

[disneychrista]

Anyway, I’m pretty shocked at the rumor that one of the proposed guidelines was 25% capacity in yellow tier. So once the pandemic abates in 2 years or so, the parks are allowed to go to...50%? Forever?

That is the problem I see with it being the YELLOW tier to open at all, there is no where to go. Orange at 25%, 120 mile travel restriction. YELLOW 50% no travel restriction. Green (Pandemic/Epidemic over) 100%. No restrictions.

 

[ycsteves]

I have seen the travel ads too. Today Hulu started running WDW holiday commercials.

The biggest thing I think people are forgetting is that even though some of the restrictions have been lifted we are technically still under a "Stay at Home" order in California. Of course there is nothing stopping people from going out and doing things. There is no way to enforce an all out travel ban. It is not like they can or would put up road blocks to all the entry points of the various (58) counties. Limiting travel to tourist destinations by limiting entry to those within a certain distance is about the most that the State can do.

We are still in a shelter in place order, which is weird given some counties that have opened up a bit more. But it's so weird that he won't reiterate that to remind us that, say, just because a movie theatre is now open (in my county) doesn't mean you should go. It's understandable that some people will feel inclined to believe that there is no longer a stay at home order.

 

[disneychrista]

It's understandable that some people will feel inclined to believe that there is no longer a stay at home order.

I totally agree. There is definitely a mixed message being given. Yes you can go to the gym, the movies, a restaurant or even a the casino (yes I know these are not governed by the state) but you really should be staying at home. Once Theme Parks are open that message is going to get even more unclear.

 

[EmJ]

We are still in a shelter in place order, which is weird given some counties that have opened up a bit more. But it's so weird that he won't reiterate that to remind us that, say, just because a movie theatre is now open (in my county) doesn't mean you should go. It's understandable that some people will feel inclined to believe that there is no longer a stay at home order.

That's completely bizarre though. So, the county is under a stay-at-home order and everyone is supposed to remain in their home except for essential work and errands, but the movie theater and indoor family fun centers are open? Why? That's not essential work or an essential errand. So it's open but no one is allowed to go. Ooookaaaaay.

I'm big on coronavirus caution. We are 100% mask wearers if we are outside the house, even if we are walking to our own mailbox. I haven't been inside a building other than a doctor's office, pharmacy, grocery store, and Target twice because my son needed clothes, since March. We enrolled our son in in-person school but are working from home to compensate. But I can't blame people from saying, "Hey! Movie theaters are open! It must be safe to go and I really wanted to see Tenet. Let's go this weekend!"

The mind boggles. How can you say something is safe enough to open, or can open safely, but it's absolutely not safe to go there?! I'm getting super sick and tired of all the logical inconsistencies and double speak coming from our elected officials. So, to loop back to Disneyland:

Restaurants can open. Disneyland has restaurants.
Hotels can open. Disneyland has hotels.
Pools can open. Disneyland has pools.
Shops can open. Disneyland has shops.
Playgrounds and family fun centers can open. Disney is basically a giant playground and family fun center.

I don't get it

 

[EmJ]

To add: After watching this play out over the last week, I think what it boils down to is that Newsom just doesn't want to. He doesn't have a good, articulable reason, other than (1) lots of people in one place for more than a few hours gives him the heeby-jeebies, and (2) he is not interested in attracting out-of-staters to California at all. Message received, Gov: The doors are closed and we aren't welcome.

But he can't come out and say that, so we are getting a lot of kinda-reasons that don't make any sense.

 

[ycsteves]

That's completely bizarre though. So, the county is under a stay-at-home order and everyone is supposed to remain in their home except for essential work and errands, but the movie theater and indoor family fun centers are open? Why? That's not essential work or an essential errand. So it's open but no one is allowed to go. Ooookaaaaay.

I'm big on coronavirus caution. We are 100% mask wearers if we are outside the house, even if we are walking to our own mailbox. I haven't been inside a building other than a doctor's office, pharmacy, grocery store, and Target twice because my son needed clothes, since March. We enrolled our son in in-person school but are working from home to compensate. But I can't blame people from saying, "Hey! Movie theaters are open! It must be safe to go and I really wanted to see Tenet. Let's go this weekend!"

The mind boggles. How can you say something is safe enough to open, or can open safely, but it's absolutely not safe to go there?! I'm getting super sick and tired of all the logical inconsistencies and double speak coming from our elected officials. So, to loop back to Disneyland:

Restaurants can open. Disneyland has restaurants.
Hotels can open. Disneyland has hotels.
Pools can open. Disneyland has pools.
Shops can open. Disneyland has shops.
Playgrounds and family fun centers can open. Disney is basically a giant playground and family fun center.

I don't get it

Yep! That's why I thought these last rumored guidelines we're him calling DL's bluff. It's not ok to put restrictions like those on one sector. Also, the stay at home order never had a "end date" since implemented in march, so maybe he might use that to push whatever guidlines he feels are best. I'm hoping DLR and Anaheim can remind him of the inequity and lack of fairness those guidelines bring about.

 

[midnight star]

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