Hurricanes in the REAL world

JimMIA

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The concern over hurricanes after last year is certainly understandable, but I thought it might be helpful to bring just a touch of reality to the picture. As a native Floridian (my family has lived here since shortly before Florida became part of the US) and a resident of Miami, I am quite aware of what hurricanes are.

But, believe it or not, we don't have one every year. In fact, we don't even average one every other year. We only average one major hurricane (Category 3-5 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale) once every five years.

Since 1900 - the last 105 years - SE and SW Florida (where hurricanes would strike if they were going to hit the Orlando area) have been hit by a grand total of 49 hurricanes, only 22 of which were Category 3 or stronger. That is a little less than 1 every two years, with one serious storm every five years.

For more recent perspective, consider the last 20 years. From 1985-2004, Florida has been hit by a total of 11 hurricanes (again about 1 every other year). One year (1985), we got hit by two hurricanes. Twelve years (88,89,90,91,93,96,97,98,00,01,02, and 03) we got hit by none. And then, there was that one crazy year - 2004 - when we got hit by 4!

Those figures above are for the whole state. Most of those hurricanes hit the Keys at the extreme southern end of Florida, or the Panhandle in the extreme NW part of the state - both hundreds of miles from WDW. If anything, most of those storms probably improved the weather at WDW!

In the last 20 years, only three hurricanes have hit the Orlando area -- all of them last year!

It's virtually impossible to predict what will happen this year. We hear that forecasters are expecting an "active" hurricane season with 17 named systems. Understand that only half of those are likely to reach hurricane strength, with 2-3 being major storms. (Last year, we had 16 systems, only 9 of which reached hurricane force, and one of those was reclassified as a hurricane only after post-storm analysis) A good number of systems will come off the west coast of Africa, reach tropical storm intensity, get named, and then make a right turn halfway across the Atlantic and disappear into oblivion.

If you want accurate information about hurricanes, turn the TV off. Go to www.nhc.noaa.gov That's the National Hurricane Center website. They have a world of accurate infomation and tools for you, and they are not trying to sell you deodorant or improve your sex life.

Then, plan your vacation and have a great time!
 
Thanks for the info......it puts looking forward to an August or September trip in perspective!
 
:rotfl: I agree the news tends to blow things out of proportion. The TV is trying to sell Viagra. :rotfl2: Whatever it takes.

Being from Florida, do you remember the year of the shark? I heard that it was no different than any other year. Is that true? They were like a dog on a bone!

Thank you for the down to earth persective!
 
Yes...that would be this year! :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

The sharks are always there, but they get especially bad during TV ratings sweeps. When ratings sweeps coincide with ugly weather in the frozen Northland (especially NYC), the news crews "rediscover" the horrendous shark problems. This year it was 4-6 foot blacktips and thrashers (which happen to be juveniles, BTW). We laughed our butts off down here!

[Note to TV producers - If you want to see real sharks, come to Miami and take a chopper ride over Key Biscayne. Look just outside the sandbars and you'll see legions of 14-18 foot hammerheads. They've been there since the dawn of time and have never bothered anyone...but you don't have to tell people that part.]
 
This year it was 4-6 foot blacktips and thrashers (which happen to be juveniles, BTW). We laughed our butts off down here!
Well, you guys can laugh down there, but there were literally hundreds of these 4-6 foot juveniles grouped together not far from the shore. I don't think it's just something conjured up by the NY press or else why did the FL lifeguards ban swimming ? I had friends from work down there for spring break this year and they couldn't put so much as their big toe in the water for the week they were there (so it's not exactly a laughing matter ?) :confused3
http://www.nbc10.com/news/4327713/detail.html

http://www.nbc10.com/slideshow/news/4327399/detail.html?qs=;s=1;p=news;dm=ss;w=320

This all wouldn't stop me from a scheduled FL vacation, but I wouldn't venture in the water either. From the link to the slideshow, that's a bit too many sharks in one area for my liking :teeth: On the Today Show, Matt Lauer interviewed a marine biologist who confirmed some were coming as close as 30 feet from shore. I don't think a migration like this can be dismissed as no big deal. It does alter vacation plans when you're not allowed in the water. We were vacationing in Vero in 8/00 when news on the local TV reported a 13 year old boy who was attacked by one of these 4-6 foot spinner/black tip sharks. It required foot surgery though the boy survived just fine. Just use discretion and caution. Just my 2 cents :flower:
 
Thanks for the info. I suspected this all along... When I was a kid we went most summers to WDW in mid-August, and the only thing vaguely resembling a hurricane hit once while we were visitng Busch Gardens... We were stuck in a souvenir shop for about two hours due to pouring rain and wind... But that was it.

I am scheduled for WDW on July 24th and am certinly hoping for nice weather!
 
Hee-hee! I KNEW that would get a rise out of Maria! :rotfl2: Hi Maria!

Make your vacation plans, use your head, have fun.

If a shark is four INCHES long and a hundred miles away, but you don't feel comfortable...stay out of the water. It's no place for you to be. It's not like there aren't other things to do!
 
As someone driving down to FL in September for both WDW and the DVC Member Cruise - thanks for putting it in perspective.

Much as I don't want a hurricane to hit during our vacation, I also don't want one to hit Florida when much of it is still recovering from last year. i remember flying into Orlando last December and seeing how many homes still had blue tarps on their roofs.
 
It wasn't that many years ago when we visited WDW in Sept. and it looked as if we would be between 2 hurricanes, or maybe they were just bad tropical storms. We arrived the day after the first ever shut down of WDW for a day, and we left the morning the second was going to strike, but didn't. There was lots of talk on the news because schools had decided to close. The decision had been made the night before and the day turned out to be lovely.

Back then, WDW did open it's rooms to locals, there was lots of talk about Disney's goodwill toward it's Florida neighbors. It was hot and steamy. We had visited WDW in May for the Flower Show but had less than a stellar time. We had stayed at ASMu and just felt as if we missed the magic. Lo and behold we received a post card with a code for WL, and we took the opportunity to visit again. This was before our DVC, so it was some year prior to '03, but since '97.

Bobbi :flower:
 
Bobbi - WDW still does what it can - it first tries to give rooms to its employee who must stay close. Well now with over 50,000 employee plus all of its guests - there just isn't any more room.

lots of employees last year were returned away because WDW was sold out.

It was very hard for them.

Of course I got told feel sorry for the people who lost both their homes and their JOBS. at least most of WDW workers kept their jobs.

Hurricanes in WDW. Walt Disney did a study of hurricanes in Orlando before he put a cent down. Before 2004 it was over a 130 years before a hurricane hit that area. (it was a 100 years when he did the study)

for 3 hurricanes to hit the same area in around 4 weeks was amazing.

of course that doesn't mean it won't happen again. Mother nature despite our science isn't complete understood.

However because Disney used their own codes (not Florida) to built WDW - I really feel it can stand up to most hurricanes.

my problem we are going in Sept - but not staying at WDW :earseek: :guilty: :sad2:
 
Hi!

I wasn't in Orlando for the '04 hurricanes, and what I meant by my comments was that at that time, whatever that year was, we did meet lots of locals who were at the WL and they were very happy that Disney helped them out.
I did not mean that Disney could have done more the last time around.

Bobbi :flower:
 
Thank you Jim. I feel much better and I have to admit that I've been worried about going in September!

:sunny: :wave2:
 
bobbiwoz said:
It wasn't that many years ago when we visited WDW in Sept. and it looked as if we would be between 2 hurricanes, or maybe they were just bad tropical storms. We arrived the day after the first ever shut down of WDW for a day, and we left the morning the second was going to strike, but didn't. There was lots of talk on the news because schools had decided to close. The decision had been made the night before and the day turned out to be lovely.

Back then, WDW did open it's rooms to locals, there was lots of talk about Disney's goodwill toward it's Florida neighbors. It was hot and steamy. We had visited WDW in May for the Flower Show but had less than a stellar time. We had stayed at ASMu and just felt as if we missed the magic. Lo and behold we received a post card with a code for WL, and we took the opportunity to visit again. This was before our DVC, so it was some year prior to '03, but since '97.

Bobbi :flower:
That could almost only have been 1999.

In Sept 1999, Tropical Storm Harvey came ashore near Ft. Myers, moved eastward across the state, and exited seaward around Deerfield Beach. It passed well south of Orlando on 9/21-22 -- south of Lake Okeechobee in the Everglades, probably 150-175 miles away at it's closest point, and you would have been in the weakest quadrant of the storm. That wouldn't been much more than a couple of rainy days.

In October 1999, Hurricane Irene came ashore at Cape Sable at the southern tip of Florida, moved on a NE track and passed somewhat east of Orlando on Oct 16, passing out to sea near Jupiter. Over land, it was only TS strength (39-73 mph winds), but still would have brought some crummy weather.
 
If a shark is four INCHES long and a hundred miles away, but you don't feel comfortable...stay out of the water.
Hi Jim ! I knew you'd be expecting me ;)
Honestly, I have NO problem with the ocean. I've snorkeled in Key West, Cozumel and the Caymen Islands (way out there). But when there's a migration of the magnitude that occured on the east coast of FL this spring, then you bet I'll heed the wise warnings. Let me tell you. Those fishies were on a feeding mission. When they feed like this en mass they can get a little nasty/aggressive and mistake a human foot for a large sardine ;)
Check out the damage a 4-5 foot spinner shark can do (warning, pics a little gross):
http://www.sharkattackphotos.com/Shark_Attacks_in_Florida.htm (person attacked by 4-5 ft spinner)

http://www.sharksurvivor.com/interviews/human/ (one person here was attacked by a 2 foot black tip .)


Of course, there's TONS of shark attack sites, but just wanted to point out that those "little" spinners aren't guppies & they can attack and can cause some serious injury. Officials call them "hit and run" attacks---or mistaken identity.

That's all I'm saying.....I just think people need to use their noggin'. I, personally, won't alter vacation plans, but I won't laugh-off official warnings either :flower:

In keeping with the hurricane topic. Found a way to segway the shark and hurricane issues with this article which I thought was a little interesting :
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7004
 
Hi Jim....
would you mind checking mid-October for scheduled hurricanes and rescheduling , if any, for another time ? It so helps to have a friend in the hurricaning business!

And, yes, I did notice the change in your 'under the avatar' profile.
And a good hanname to you to!
 
MiaSRN62 said:
That's all I'm saying.....I just think people need to use their noggin'. I, personally, won't alter vacation plans, but I won't laugh-off official warnings either :flower:
Oh, I agree, and I certainly don't discount lifeguard warnings or any other kind of official warning. If I was at a beach and lifeguards told people to get out of the water because of sharks (or blues, or king mackerel, or man-o-war), I'd be among the first looking for fins from the shoreline.

People who ignore warnings like that are just stupid. They're like the surfers who try to surf as a hurricane approaches - natural selection in action.

My point was -- with hurricanes, sharks, chupacabras, etc. -- the "news" media blows them all out of proportion, mostly in an effort to sell ad time. I hate to see people worry themselves sick, or change vacation plans, based on what some entertainer says on TV to sell hairspray.
 
ColoradoBelle1 said:
Hi Jim....
would you mind checking mid-October for scheduled hurricanes and rescheduling , if any, for another time ? It so helps to have a friend in the hurricaning business!

And, yes, I did notice the change in your 'under the avatar' profile.
And a good hanname to you to!
Mid-October is clear at this time. I'll keep watching.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a meteorologist or hurricane forecaster. Just a Floridian with way too much time on his hands now that the hanname mystery has been solved.
 
So Jim - what is early September looking like?
 

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