curemyreed
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Nope.
The poster is referring to the change from the GAC to the DAS, with the GAC being the broken system.
Agree to disagree. You read it one way. I read it another.
Nope.
The poster is referring to the change from the GAC to the DAS, with the GAC being the broken system.
At certain attractions, guests who need assistance (particularly if they can't do stairs) indeed have to wait behind the people who need an accessible vehicle. Small World at DLR is one example, California Screamin' is another example of this.
I have no reason to believe that the new system will result in longer waits for the non-disabled, I believe quite the contrary.
I believe that everyone (with rare exceptions) should have to wait, period.
I'm seeing plenty of people able to discuss the effects of these changes without becoming emotional or too personal. And I bet a lot of people, like you, choose to engage in the discussion without discussing how it impacts them or their family individually. Still others seem to be posting who are not disabled or connected to someone who is. With so many concerned folks there are a lot of minds exploring whether cmwade77's system may improve upon the DAS system and why it may or may not do so. I see that as a positive.[/QUOTE]IMO, knowing that mobility challenged guests need to wait for a certain few vehicles I wouldn't really care if they wait less than I do. If it works out that way than its of no doing of their own. I imagine it'd all end balancing out. I think what's attractive to a gamer in this instance is pretty easy to decipher... Little wait. Could someone do the same hiring of a wheelchair bound individual? Sure. But I'm willing to bet 9/10 the wait would be longer if anything else. And no, I haven't mentioned what effects the new DAS system and/or alternate entrances will have on my family because I'm a personal believer of keeping emotions out of discussions like these. I try not to make this type of stuff too personal. I also think that no matter if it effects someone directly or not that we are all entitled to an opinion
@cmwade77---I think this got lost back in the thread. I imagine that when Disney decided they needed to change their GAC system they must have studied the various systems in use at other parks. And for whatever reason, they did not go with yours which is similar to Universal Studios Hollywood. I started to ask your thoughts as to why, but who can know, I guess. Maybe a better question is do you think they will be receptive to a system they must have evaluated and not implemented?
I kind of wonder he same thing. I imagine Disney did their homework on this. I wonder if they based it off of WDW and how the theme parks in Florida operate over California. And perhaps,they wanted to keep the same system at both places to lessen confusion.
@cmwade77---I think this got lost back in the thread. I imagine that when Disney decided they needed to change their GAC system they must have studied the various systems in use at other parks. And for whatever reason, they did not go with yours which is similar to Universal Studios Hollywood. I started to ask your thoughts as to why, but who can know, I guess. Maybe a better question is do you think they will be receptive to a system they must have evaluated and not implemented?
Try doing that with someone who is cognitively disabled (and no, I don't just mean autistic) and see how well it works to hang around outside the ride they are insisting on going on.
And let's not bother going down the "they should learn how to wait" road. Some people will never "learn to wait". Some people will never live outside their parents' home or a qualified institution/home. So saying they need to learn to make it in the real world is pointless.
How is it not a disadvantage to have to go to a ride and then walk away and then go back later and still have to wait in a line? What attraction is there to do at BTMRR that doesn't require an exhausting walk up and down a rather steep hill?
It just seems to me that the argument with the solution proposed in this thread is that the disabled people don't have to wait at the same time as average guest. They DO have to wait, just at a different time, and apparently some people think that is somehow giving them something "extra". With the current DAS they would be able to visit other attractions/eat/bathroom, so that's not an advantage of the proposed system, it's just that they can ride when the urge/need strikes and then do their waiting by perhaps dawdling on the way to their next ride or otherwise distracting their loved one before they even get near the next ride. To me it sounds like some perverse envy. You don't get "instant gratification" so neither should anyone else, even if their mental state is such that they could be in physical or mental distress otherwise. I just don't get it.
But really, I feel like your issue isn't one of equality, it's one of stubbornness. You don't just want people to have to wait their turn. You want them to be waiting right along side you - in spirit if not in the flesh - and that just strikes me as petty.
Here is the "spoon theory" explanation of how hidden disabilities like lupus or MS affect a person. It would be nice if any tweaks to the DAS takes the needs of "spoonies" into account. Back before the GAC was a DAS, it was a SAP. These diagnoses were on the automatic SAP list.It seems that both sides of this argument owe it to ourselves to at least spend a moment in all of this imagining somebody else's shoes before taking subtle jabs at anyone.
I kind of wonder he same thing. I imagine Disney did their homework on this. I wonder if they based it off of WDW and how the theme parks in Florida operate over California. And perhaps,they wanted to keep the same system at both places to lessen confusion.
I believe you misunderstood my point. I believe that you would hypothetically rather have everything worse for everyone as long as it's equal than have things hypothetically improve for everyone with the side effect that things are slightly unequal, favoring the disabled. Let's face it; nothing is ever going to be equal. It's either going to favor the majority or the minority. Clearly you prefer that favor to go towards the majority, while at the same time professing that it's "equal".
And once again, in the proposed system, the disabled people ARE WAITING. They're just waiting after the ride instead of before it. They are waiting before their next ride. They are not just merrily skipping from one FP queue to the next. If line time equalty is your goal - which it should be - then you should have no problem with the proposed system, especially not if it also included adding ride time and even an "average travel time" to the blackout time. Did you even read my post about how the proposed system will likely cut down on people riding "extra" rides during their wait, which is currently possible with the DAS system? So technically the proposed system would have disabled people riding fewer rides than the DAS system. But really, I feel like your issue isn't one of equality, it's one of stubbornness. You don't just want people to have to wait their turn. You want them to be waiting right along side you - in spirit if not in the flesh - and that just strikes me as petty. So they're waiting 50min to ride Buzz Lightyear instead of 50 minutes to ride Space Mountain. Is that really such a big deal to you? You'll still both be entering the Buzz line at about the same time.
I know pre-release of the new system there was a lot of discussion about them trying to keep both parks the same.
On the boards we know how different they are, but a lot of people think they are essentially the same park. I suspect they want to cut down on angry people when they cross coasts and have to adapt on arrival.
That's cute, thanks for sharing. I agree that going away cant work for all. My concern is with those who would take the immediate access because they can rather than because they need it.Sunnywho said:Here is the "spoon theory" explanation of how hidden disabilities like lupus or MS affect a person. It would be nice if any tweaks to the DAS takes the needs of "spoonies" into account. Back before the GAC was a DAS, it was a SAP. These diagnoses were on the automatic SAP list.
http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/wpress/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/
The rigmarole of getting the DAS signed, going away, and coming back would over the course of the day take away a few more "spoons" than the proposed flipped wait.
I think a lot will depend on the feedback they are getting from guests, as well as how many "extras" they are currently giving to people with more serious needs. It seems as though special passes are currently being given out to people who do not understand the concept of waiting and likely never will. It also seems like with the proposed system, that would not be so necessary. Dawdling from one ride to the next in order to eat up the wait time is a heck of a lot easier than having to either split up and send a DAS runner over to a completely different area or, worse yet, risk getting closer to the ride which could trigger that "need to ride" mental state. Surely being able to keep more people sticking to the "standard plan" would be much easier than having to decide who really needs the extra passes and having people argue because they've seen x number of people using those special passes and they want one too.
I do have a concern that establishing two new systems simultaneously at WDW---the DAS implementation and the current testing of the FP+ system---may have Disney spread too thin. I worry that there are less people paying attention to problems, glitches, etc. Does this concern you?
I think this may be good point to end this thread - while it is still mostly positive.I like how this thread has generally stayed positive, but I want to add something.
I think it is short sighted that as soon as somebody says "this has abuse potential" some are just tossing us aside as complaining about the disabled, stubborn, self-centered or inconsiderate. The only negative comments I have seen have been the defensive ones about people who don't agree with the proposed system.
We can disagree about something without either of us being heartless. Having a different view does not equate to the other person having no clue what they are talking about.
I think the abuse potential as well as the reasons that the DAS does not cover all of every single person's needs have both been pointed out and it behooves us to make an attempt to sympathize with varying views, regardless of whether they benefit us personally. It seems that both sides of this argument owe it to ourselves to at least spend a moment in all of this imagining somebody else's shoes before taking subtle jabs at anyone.
It absolutely concerns me. For one thing, people - including Disney CMs keep encouraging those with DAS to take full advantage of FP and FP+ as if that will solve any extra issues. Except many people who need a DAS cannot plan far enough in advance to use FP+, and regular FP is going away. Add into that, the fact that people are reporting extreme difficulty getting same day FP+ and now the disabled guests are at a distinct disadvantage. Now one would hope that same day FP+ would be easier to get once the legacy system is gone, but we really have no idea. For all we know, 80% of FPs will be dedicated to pre-booking, with only 20% held for same day access. Can you imagine how fast they would go??