Mary Lou Retton Fighting for Her Life in ICU

I know a lot of the comments I've read are, she has 4 daughters, each of them couldn't contribute $150 per month so that their mother had health insurance? A lot of people seem peeved that not all of it is being spent on healthcare costs as was requested under the original GoFundMe (GFM). As I understand it, once a GFM has reached its goal, it can be shut down by the requesting party.
Probably not as they're 28, 26, about 24 and 21.

https://g.co/kgs/nFYJZjJ

Covid was 3 years ago and they'd have been 3 years younger.

Mom's health insurance would not be on their radar and they probably had no idea she was without health insurance.
 
Ahhh, ok. Yes...I think the daughter is confused. There's a lot of "smack talk" out there about the ACA....how awful it is, etc. And again, I'm not saying it's the greatest system in the world, but you certainly can buy a bronze policy with a higher deductible for something reasonable. I understand that her income dropped during Covid...that happened for a ton of people. Ironically, had her income dropped that low, she would have likely gotten a policy that would have greatly covered most of this recent catastrophic illness.....for next to nothing. She would have gotten massive subsides making her policy nearly free. If her income was too low to even get her a policy on the exchange, she would have qualified for medicaid.

Perhaps the issue for her was that....embarrassment of her financial predicament? Also, she may have been influenced by all of the talk on the right about how horrible the ACA is....but they call it the other name, the one with a President's name attached to it. I heard an awful lot about the other team coming up with a great health care plan that is better, cheaper, more awesome in every way....but I'm still waiting for a glimpse at that plan ;). In the meantime, the ACA is actually popular with Americans....has a 60% approval rating.....which is about 500% higher than the approval rating of Congress.
Again, you are absolutely correct about the subsidized premiums which again makes me wonder if Mary Lou Retton understood how it works. For us, business is good most years and we pay our premiums without any help. During COVID, however, we were very limited in what we could do (a portion of our work was considered essential, but not all and then we experienced disruptions in supply lines which kept our income low) and we got back nearly everything we paid in health care premiums that year and still qualified for subsidies the following year although not as much. I am so grateful that the ACA exists. It is definitely not perfect, but has worked for us.

Thanks for the first hand experience on the ACA. I only know a bit about it as we're just beginning to understand how it works as we'll be accessing it as early retirees when we're in our late 50s/early 60s....until we reach medicare age. THE biggest selling point about the ACA is that in order to participate in the exchanges, an insurance company can't factor in pre-existing conditions and charge someone more. It's literally against the law.

As you've stated, I've read that the cheapest plans are in rural parts of the country....and that then it can be difficult to find providers, etc. I know it's not perfect by any means, but having an exchange that every American can use, many of whom will qualify for big subsidies, is a big deal. As far as health care provided in total by the government for everyone, well, not too many of those systems are perfect either. The U.K.'s NHS is in a serious crisis right now, and it was once one of the shining examples universal. health care in the world.

I'm not sure why Ms. Retton didn't have insurance, but she surely could have. And her daughter is misinformed for sure. I hope she also understands that even after the ordeal she's been through, she can purchase health insurance on the ACA. Maybe Hoda will tell her that tomorrow on The Today Show ;).
We live outside of Pittsburgh, PA which is generally a low cost of living area and I am guessing our premiums are significantly lower than people in other areas with higher COL. We have no issues with finding doctors being so close to a mid sized city though so probably the best of both worlds. I don’t know if the ACA works for most people as well as it works for us, but it is certainly better than being uninsured.
 


Again, you are absolutely correct about the subsidized premiums which again makes me wonder if Mary Lou Retton understood how it works. For us, business is good most years and we pay our premiums without any help. During COVID, however, we were very limited in what we could do (a portion of our work was considered essential, but not all and then we experienced disruptions in supply lines which kept our income low) and we got back nearly everything we paid in health care premiums that year and still qualified for subsidies the following year although not as much. I am so grateful that the ACA exists. It is definitely not perfect, but has worked for us.


We live outside of Pittsburgh, PA which is generally a low cost of living area and I am guessing our premiums are significantly lower than people in other areas with higher COL. We have no issues with finding doctors being so close to a mid sized city though so probably the best of both worlds. I don’t know if the ACA works for most people as well as it works for us, but it is certainly better than being uninsured.

From what I've read, that's the sweet spot @mumto3girls....living in a semi-suburban/rural area with a city within an hour or so in case you need specialists...etc. I'm guessing Ms. Retton didn't understand how the subsidies work at all.

In the early retirement world (which DH and I are preparing to enter in the next few years), a common strategy for retirees under 65 is to use cash and taxable accounts to keep their MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) very low, in order to qualify for big subsidies on the ACA. I'm saying this is the way it should be, but the exchanges are based on income, and it's perfectly legal. There have been a series of articles in the WSJ on..."what it's like to retire with 1 million dollars..."..etc. To date they've done, "less than a million", one million, two million and five million. They're currently running one on "what it's like to retire with no savings" (hint...you don't want to be in that group). Anyway, in the Five Million dollar club was a couple from NC. They had a net worth north of 5 million. They were 60 years old and paying less than $1,000 per month for a platinum plan. He estimated they were saving 18K a year out of pocket by using this strategy. I think that's about right on the money, as DH and I have priced platinum plans for the two of us and they come in around $2,500 a month.

Hopefully Ms. Retton will do the research. She'd be a perfect spokesperson for say...Blue Cross/Blue Shield....they'd probably throw in a platinum policy as part of her compensation.
 
I saw a bit of the interview on the news this morning, and she said she does have insurance now.

Well that's good. Hopefully she'll explain to her daughters that her pre-existing conditions did not preclude her from getting that insurance....or cost her more as a result.
 


I saw a bit of the interview on the news this morning, and she said she does have insurance now.

I don’t know if this happened, but it’s also possible the hospital required her to apply for insurance at some point. The hospital I retired from sometimes had a long term, critical Amish child as a patient. Most of the Amish population in our area don’t carry health insurance. The cost to care for these patients can become prohibitive, one infant’s care was well over 1.4 million dollars. While all hospitals are required to give some free medical care, they’re also allowed to require you to apply for insurance if you’re eligible, at least in NY. The patients at our hospital were eligible for & eventually required to apply for Medicaid. The hospital financial advisors help guide them to the right insurance & with the application process. So I can see the hospital MLR was in requiring her to apply for insurance if she was eligible.
 
I’ve read a few stories back then (no idea how accurate they are) that MLR believed the ACA (or Former President Care) was “evil” and she would rather risk going without insurance than participate in such an “unpatriotic“ scheme.
File this under "careful what you wish for."
From what I've read, that's the sweet spot @mumto3girls....living in a semi-suburban/rural area with a city within an hour or so in case you need specialists...etc. I'm guessing Ms. Retton didn't understand how the subsidies work at all.
She certainly knew enough to campaign against the ACA. Idiot.
 
Well that's good. Hopefully she'll explain to her daughters that her pre-existing conditions did not preclude her from getting that insurance....or cost her more as a result.
I saw the interview this morning... I would she herself did not understand that or was simply ignoring it (I never paid attention to her stance on ACA). She stated on the interview that she didn't have insurance because of her medical issues before covid and after the divorce she couldn't afford it. Maybe she was confused and thought the previous surgeries were related to the cost. She actually does not strike me as even a basic financially-intelligent individual, she is likely someone who always had someone else "deal with that" for her and never felt a need to understand any of it. She did state on the interview that she now has insurance.
 
I’ve read a few stories back then (no idea how accurate they are) that MLR believed the ACA (or Former President Care) was “evil” and she would rather risk going without insurance than participate in such an “unpatriotic“ scheme.
I had no idea that was her stance. Ugh. As mentioned upthread, being able to buy insurance through the ACA allows us to run our small business. It doesn’t seem at all unpatriotic to me.
 
File this under "careful what you wish for."

She certainly knew enough to campaign against the ACA. Idiot.
Idiot? No, she was wise.

The government has allowed the healthcare industry to expand to around 20% of the economy...but the Medicare tax has not increased at anything even close to the same rate (politically untenable). Result? MRIs and medicines that cost thousands when they should be a couple hundred bucks. Have you seen a medical bill lately? It is mind boggling what this stuff costs.

ACA did nothing to address that situation as was pointed out at the time by many. The situation is untenable it will ultimately fail to the detriment of millions, sadly.
 
Idiot? No, she was wise.

The government has allowed the healthcare industry to expand to around 20% of the economy...but the Medicare tax has not increased at anything even close to the same rate (politically untenable). Result? MRIs and medicines that cost thousands when they should be a couple hundred bucks. Have you seen a medical bill lately? It is mind boggling what this stuff costs.

ACA did nothing to address that situation as was pointed out at the time by many. The situation is untenable it will ultimately fail to the detriment of millions, sadly.
Whenever someone starts ranting about "the government," I keep scrolling. 🙄
 
Disappointing if she didn’t talk SPECIFICALLY about everyone should get health insurance and how she got hers. Cautionary tale etc.

All this BS about her pre-existing conditions is ridiculous. Make 1 free phone call to an agent/broker and ask and they’d tell her.

So COVID impacted her income. Well that would reduce her premiums. But MLR could have started a patreon , gotten 1000 people sub for $1/month, posted a few photos or videos and covered her premiums. Or done Cameos for $30 and made 10-20 vids a week to cover them.

She’s either getting terrible advice, not very smart, or a liar.
 
I'm disappointed in the interview as well. I'm glad she is doing better, but there are so many uninsured Americans. It would have been nice for MLR or at least Hoda to do a PSA about the options available.
I suspect MLR agreed to the interview under the condition that those options were not to be mentioned. Let's not fool ourselves that these interviews are anything but opportunities, for both interviewer and subject.
 
From what I've read, that's the sweet spot @mumto3girls....living in a semi-suburban/rural area with a city within an hour or so in case you need specialists...etc. I'm guessing Ms. Retton didn't understand how the subsidies work at all.

In the early retirement world (which DH and I are preparing to enter in the next few years), a common strategy for retirees under 65 is to use cash and taxable accounts to keep their MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) very low, in order to qualify for big subsidies on the ACA. I'm saying this is the way it should be, but the exchanges are based on income, and it's perfectly legal. There have been a series of articles in the WSJ on..."what it's like to retire with 1 million dollars..."..etc. To date they've done, "less than a million", one million, two million and five million. They're currently running one on "what it's like to retire with no savings" (hint...you don't want to be in that group). Anyway, in the Five Million dollar club was a couple from NC. They had a net worth north of 5 million. They were 60 years old and paying less than $1,000 per month for a platinum plan. He estimated they were saving 18K a year out of pocket by using this strategy. I think that's about right on the money, as DH and I have priced platinum plans for the two of us and they come in around $2,500 a month.

Hopefully Ms. Retton will do the research. She'd be a perfect spokesperson for say...Blue Cross/Blue Shield....they'd probably throw in a platinum policy as part of her compensation.
Thank you very much for pointing out this WSJ series. I didn't know it was out there and it's very informative.
 

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