The Vaccine Discussion Thread

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skierrob said:
The only concern is how long the vaccine remains EFFECTIVE -- is it 6 months, two years, lifetime? That is why it isn't eligible yet. The science that it prevents COVID and does not cause major side effects is PROVEN. GET VACCINATED!
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Intr3pid said:
The US government not doing it doesn't preclude the states from developing one of their own. Florida is prohibiting its state department from issuing any certification. If you receive your vaccine in Florida, it's between you and the business you are dealing with to come up with a way to accept your proof of vaccination. Maybe the CDC card handed out to you will work - or maybe once it's clear how easy it is to tamper it, a centrally verified system will be required - as it is now in many instances in Europe or states like NY.

The 12-month EU timeframe is arbitrary and can be extended like everything else. You can enter Europe a few days after your test result, and that's about it. Entry into the region has no bearing on whether a European business will provide you service. Even if you can use a test to access that service, you will have to keep getting tested along the way.
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Why would businesses require vaccination if the numbers in their country are good and there is a requirement for a vaccination or negative test if you are traveling to the country? It makes no sense. These businesses have been hurting from the lack or tourism for the last year. The last thing they want to do is make it harder for business.
 
Intr3pid said:
Every state has its own driver licensing system. Do you run into a 'mess' renting a car at London Heathrow with a NY or FL or CA driver license?

If the federal government isn't involved, the travel industry can very easily work with state or private credentials. Last year, some countries were denying entry to US travelers based on their state residence (before the virus spread everywhere).
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Big difference. FL is refusing to issue "vaccine passports", refusing to assist third party vaccine documents and is making it illegal for a business to require vaccination. The opposite, FL is allowing a school to ban teachers and students from vaccination.

NY is issuing vaccination passport.

States issue drivers license. States give access to drivers data to third parties like rental agencies.

The comparison is bogus.

Cruise ports are likely to require vaccination. FL can't do anything about that.

Disney might be able to get an exemption from the Bahamas, at least applicable to Castaway Cay.

edited to add A country which opens up to tourists don't want a recurrence. It may be years before people living in carribean ports have a high vaccination rate.
 
tink2424 said:
Why would businesses require vaccination if the numbers in their country are good and there is a requirement for a vaccination or negative test if you are traveling to the country? It makes no sense. These businesses have been hurting from the lack or tourism for the last year. The last thing they want to do is make it harder for business.
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What does that mean? Is the pandemic over?

Just because you tested negative at the time of your flight doesn't mean you can't catch the virus two days later. If a week after arriving into the UK, you want to board a cruise ship, your test from your flight time is useless. You will have to retest. If, two weeks later, you want to attend a Hans Zimmer concert requiring a negative test in the last 5 days, your retest is also useless.

Sure, if all you want to do hang out on a patio or spend your afternoons strolling in a park, you will do fine. But, we are discussing cruising here, and no European cruise line at the moment will let you on board without a vaccine or a test in the last three days.

Lewisc said:
Big difference. FL is refusing to issue "vaccine passports", refusing to assist third party vaccine documents and is making it illegal for a business to require vaccination. The opposite, FL is allowing a school to ban teachers and students from vaccination.

NY is issuing vaccination passport.

States issue drivers license. States give access to drivers data to third parties like rental agencies.

The comparison is bogus.
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Your comparison logic doesn't make much sense. If Florida can issue a driver's license, it can also issue a vaccine certificate if it wants. The federal government doesn't have to be involved. International travel industry can make use of the vaccine certificate in the same way that it does a driver's license.

sethschroeder said:
Eh I think this is overstated come sometime in 2022. If there were a virus strain bypassing vaccination limitations wouldn't help much unless you are shutting down boarders to whole countries/regions.

Vaccination/recovered individuals at a certain point should choke out much of the spread of the virus. At that point its really going to be about a virus mutation bypassing vaccination/previous infection at which point the checks of someone having a vaccine isn't going to matter.

If we are then saying your "passport" needs to contain the new vaccination that is going to cause a huge issue to travel since there will be no way to predict when new booster shots would be needed and how quickly you could get a shot prior to travel.

Think about it this way:
Would you book a July 2022 trip if you were just vaccinated but the requirement was that France was going to require you to have whatever the latest cutting edge vaccine was for COVID19. Seems like its a large risk for either the traveler or travel company to take on for last second new vaccine booster shots that you might be unable to get.
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If the viral case load gets low enough so that this is no longer a pandemic, yes, I agree there won't be any need for vaccination for most of the services. In the same vein, if the FDA determines that a booster is necessary to keep the protection or we risk a relapse, then, yes, absolutely, the travel industry will have to continue to work with the restrictions.

Travel industry somehow getting back to 'normal' by 2022 is a pipe dream - like it was last year. Look at what's happening in India. They aren't even done 20% of their first shots. My optimistic case is maybe some travel bubbles in 2022, such as between North America and Europe, or within parts of Asia. International free-form travel is a 2023 event at the earliest.
 
Intr3pid said:
Your comparison logic doesn't make much sense. If Florida can issue a driver's license, it can also issue a vaccine certificate if it wants. The federal government doesn't have to be involved. International travel industry can make use of the vaccine certificate in the same way that it does a driver's license.
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Thats my point a state, like FL, can also decide not to issue vaccine passports. FL is going one step further and not allowing third party vaccination passports.

All 50 states issue DL. They allow third-party access to records.

The same isn't true with vaccine.

DIS isn't the place to discuss the merits, or lack of merits, of FLs position.

Unlike a DL some states aren't issuing, or allowing 3rd parties, to issue the equivalent.
The cards we were given can be easily faked and aren't sufficient for some uses.
 
Lewisc said:
Thats my point a state, like FL, can also decide not to issue vaccine passports. FL is going one step further and not allowing third party vaccination passports.

All 50 states issue DL. They allow third-party access to records.

The same isn't true with vaccine.

DIS isn't the place to discuss the merits, or lack of merits, of FLs position.

Unlike a DL some states aren't issuing, or allowing 3rd parties, to issue the equivalent.
The cards we were given can be easily faked and aren't sufficient for some uses.
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You’d need the equivalent of a US passport. And the doc would have to be accepted internationally. That’s where I think we’ll run into issues. What doc will the EU accept? We can ban all we want domestically. But if I want to go to Europe, I’ll have to play by their rules.
 
Intr3pid said:
What does that mean? Is the pandemic over?

Just because you tested negative at the time of your flight doesn't mean you can't catch the virus two days later. If a week after arriving into the UK, you want to board a cruise ship, your test from your flight time is useless. You will have to retest. If, two weeks later, you want to attend a Hans Zimmer concert requiring a negative test in the last 5 days, your retest is also useless.

Sure, if all you want to do hang out on a patio or spend your afternoons strolling in a park, you will do fine. But, we are discussing cruising here, and no European cruise line at the moment will let you on board without a vaccine or a test in the last three days.
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I was referring to the entry requirements based on the vaccine or covid certificate which are different. It is entirely possible that cruises will adopt the same format of the certificate or not. If they have a testing option for cruises then that is great, if not that is fine too. They will just lose out on some business for a while which may or may not matter.
 
JWelch62 said:
Good news for the Canadians on the thread looking for expanded Vaccine availability - Pfizer to start shipping coronavirus vaccine to Canada

US Export restrictions have expired so now Pfizer can ship vaccines made in the US to Canada
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Yes, apparently a lot of vaccine supply headed to Canada. Calculations suggest that by July 1 almost 60% of the eligible population could have their second shots.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/moderna-deliveries-may-1.6007912
 
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mevelandry said:
Breaking news: Canada Is holding Johnson & Johnson vaccines over possible quality control issue...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/johnson-johnson-vaccine-hold-health-canada-1.6010065
Arghhhh there is always something.
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Yep. Sigh. Also, if we could get some more deliveries of the AstraZeneca vaccine too, please. Many of use are going to need a second dose of that in the coming months and there is no solid timeline (supposedly end of June but who knows) and I, uh, don't really want to mix my vaccines from 1st to 2nd dose thanks.
 
bcwife76 said:
Yep. Sigh. Also, if we could get some more deliveries of the AstraZeneca vaccine too, please. Many of use are going to need a second dose of that in the coming months and there is no solid timeline (supposedly end of June but who knows) and I, uh, don't really want to mix my vaccines from 1st to 2nd dose thanks.
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We’ll most likely have groups testing the different vaccines for the second dose soon. However, they said they would switch for a similar type (which would mean Moderna/Pfizer, in that case).

I wonder if AZ and J&J could be mixed?
 
The J&J seems to be less of an issue for men or older people.
Of the 16 cases of blood clots identified, 15 were women and were ages 18-59. No one over 60 has had this issue.
 
mevelandry said:
Not in Canada. It’s 16 weeks here.
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You're confusing Astra Zeneca with Pfizer, I believe. AZ is 16W, Moderna is 4W, Pfizer is 3W, J&J is one and done.

Edit: Link to official Canadian website on Pfizer FAQs

How it’s given
The vaccine is given by an injection (0.3 mL) into the muscle of the arm. For the vaccine to work best, you need to get 2 doses: a single dose and then a second dose 21 days later.

Immunity develops over time. It takes about 2 weeks to develop significant protection against COVID-19. For the greatest protection, you will need the second dose.

Based on studies in about 44,000 participants, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 beginning 1 week after the second dose.
 
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