theduck619
DIS Dad #188
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2007
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
I can't sleep, so does that mean your are making a slight detour through Indy to pick me up
Good morning al
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
My Scoutmasters Response. Thoughts? This is as close to "shut the f*ck up" as we get in Connecticut. Don't think it is going to have the effect that he desired...
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
I can't sleep, so does that mean your are making a slight detour through Indy to pick me up
Good morning al
My Scoutmasters Response. Thoughts? This is as close to "shut the f*ck up" as we get in Connecticut. Don't think it is going to have the effect that he desired...
Hi Chris --
You are asking that our boys behave at a higher standard because they are scouts. Uhh, Yeah, that is how scouts should be looked upon.OK, I agree with that objective. But, are current behaviors outside what is normal for 11-17 year old boys? Again maybe but they are scouts. You are expert in these areas, but my experience is that boys this age are not nice to each other. Then he is aware that things are happening and is saying that is just normal. Idiot. As we press the Scout Law, we are swimming against the current.And?? Isn't that the underlying foundation of Boy Scouts?
That doesn't mean that I am giving up. Yes it does. He said he was giving up by saying they are swimming against the current, basically saying just go with the flow. The trending flow hasn't looked very good to me and looks like too many in the past have pisssed in the stream. (sorry just my opinion) Just the opposite ... we press the Scout Law so that as boys mature it will be part of their make-up. And, maybe we help some boys mature earlier.
[District Trainer] ... have you met him? I doubt that he is the answer.well being you have and depending on your thoughts this could be of some leverage to you.
Let me know if you have other suggestions, observations, concerns. Yeah step up or step out.
Ok First things first. I would like to make a motion that we create a DisDads Scout page so we can find these posts easier. I am in scouts also and some of this may become or is useful and I have become very busy with work and scouts that it would be easier. Just sayin'
Can we still ride around in a minivan with fists full of bacon?
Stopher, keeping your job search and your FIL in our prayers. Hoping for the best for you and your family.Hey guys,
Glad to see you back!Hi guys. Feeling like I'm finally over my "Post Disney Depression" and am feeling up to posting again. And to think, it only took 3 months for the PDD to subside. Hope that ya'll will let me re-activate my membership.
Last I checked, it is the job of parents and other "mature" adults in leadership positions to teach kids right and wrong and give them incentive to stand up against those so called "normal" actions, which are really nothing more than a mob mentality game of follow the leader. Just because it is "normal" for a 13 year old boy to be obnoxious, rude or a bully doesn't make it "right." It seems like these days, manners and responsibility for your own actions are almost a thing of the past. There's no repercussion for anything. How can you expect these boys to learn what is right and what is wrong if nobody wants to say anything to them?My Scoutmasters Response. Thoughts? This is as close to "shut the f*ck up" as we get in Connecticut. Don't think it is going to have the effect that he desired...
My Scoutmasters Response. Thoughts? This is as close to "shut the f*ck up" as we get in Connecticut. Don't think it is going to have the effect that he desired...
Hi Chris --
You are asking that our boys behave at a higher standard because they are scouts. OK, I agree with that objective. But, are current behaviors outside what is normal for 11-17 year old boys? You are expert in these areas, but my experience is that boys this age are not nice to each other. As we press the Scout Law, we are swimming against the current. Isn't that the underlying foundation of Boy Scouts?
That doesn't mean that I am giving up. Just the opposite ... we press the Scout Law so that as boys mature it will be part of their make-up. And, maybe we help some boys mature earlier.
But, we are dealing with natural behaviors. Cub Scout parents need to hear that there is nothing abnormal about the boys in Troop XXX. This troop should have a positive reputation because we clearly center around the Scout Law, and provide tons of opportunities for boys to practice it. Aim for the higher standard, but let's not allow negative talk because we aren't to that lofty, magical place.
Reputation still out there? Many Cub Scout parents haven't dealt with teenage boys yet, and don't know what's typical. Our response needs to be clear that Troop XXX boys are not abnormal. In fact, most of them are better than normal. Very few of them are "worse" than normal.
Physical acts that intimidate younger scouts: I absolutely need to know about this, and I need to address this immediately.
Verbal acts that intimidate younger scouts: I need to know some specifics, and we need to judge if it's talk beyond what's normal. Again ... I will continue working to have all the boys be nice. But, I don't think we should tolerate that Boy Scouts acting like normal boys gets chatted up around Avon as if Troop XXX is a bunch of bullies.
Ridicule, Harass, Humiliate: I need to know if any of these things happen outside what's normal teasing ... and certainly anything that is physical or threatening.
We now have new patrol alignment and new patrol leaders (actually, several repeating PLs which is a great thing). Patrol Leader training will be scheduled, with behavior as an important topic.
We will plan to frequently break into patrol sessions. I agree it's more productive.
[District Trainer] ... have you met him? I doubt that he is the answer.
Assistant Scoutmasters in the Patrol Advisor role ... we continue to define this role and ASMs are gradually embracing it. The continuity of some PLs with their Patrol Advisors may help move this along.
Let me know if you have other suggestions, observations, concerns.
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
Sorry to post this off the Scout thread, but I figured I'd try to wrap it up as much as I can.
Fortunately, I don't need to deal with this guy. I can easily move to another Troop or start a new one and I will. I was under the assumption this this was a nice guy who just was too overwhelmed to see what was going on. Now, I see that he sees what is going on, but is firmly in the "boys will be boys"/"make men of them" camp. Also, now that I look at his Assistant Scoutmasters in a new light, I can see that he chose them specifically to be ineffectual. He wants a "Lord of the Flies"-type troup to toughen the boys up.
I should add some context. He has two sons. The oldest is in college and I've never met him. The youngest was Senior Patrol Leader last year and is still around, a lovely and sweet young man who would never bully anyone....and is obviously gay.
Is it starting to become clear now? Because it sure is to me.
Thanks, again, for all your support and advice! A wise group of fathers here!
It sounds like that culture may somewhat still exist based on this guy's response to you, and I applaud any of you guys who are involved for trying to change it. I hope it works out, I really do...but I will never expose my child to it.
If I had a son, I would not him in a Scout troop where this sort of thing was condoned, and would be furious if it were actually actively encouraged by the "leadership". That would be criminal. Well, seems to me it should be, at least.
Thanks, Fed. And if my oldest, the one with autism had a ton of social/extracurricular opportunities available to him, I probably wouldn't bother. But one of the things that I need to worry about as he moves into adolescence is that austic children have an the inevitable decline in self esteem and feeling isolated and depressed. Having him part of a group with definite accomplishments that he can hang his hat on goes along way for him and can help gaurd against that. He really does enjoy talking about his scout accomplishments and because of his autism is generally unaware of the bullying going on around him. But, my middle child will be crossing over soon, and I need to get them both into a better environment. I'm not sure that my middle son will continue with scouts forever. He's a good athlete, an excellent student, a good artist, and a popular kid. Literally the skies the limit for this one, so like you, Fed, he may find other activities that he enjoys more. I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience, and you're doing the right thing protecting your son.
The really amazing thing is that this guy thinks he can put this in email. If something bad were to happen (like this summer where one kid pulled a knife on a younger scout) Did that get reported, because that would be at the least an automatic revocation of being allowed to carry any kind of knife for any scout event if he wasn't banned all together., there's a paper trail from me to him and me to the council...Doesn't he think I'll save the emails?
Some great advice I got from my Grandfather, think twice before you say anything, think 5 times before you write anything down.
Did that get reported, because that would be at the least an automatic revocation of being allowed to carry any kind of knife for any scout event if he wasn't banned all together.,
Can we still ride around in a minivan with fists full of bacon?
anyone else cant sleep because they are leaving for wdw in 22 hours , 45 min.???
Some great advice I got from my Grandfather, think twice before you say anything, think 5 times before you write anything down.