Fast passes being enforced

[Jennasis]

Yes, you pay for a ticket but when you get a FP, there are terms and conditions of that FP. They are not intended to be sold or transferred to another person.

And the intended purpose of that FP that you pulled was for you to fill that seat at a certain time.

Intent or not, you acted as a de facto secondary distributor of FPs and Disney has rules against that no matter how you try to justify yourself in breaking them.

And according to the logic on this thread, if that family in melt down mode would have worked harder or put in more effort and planning in their day then they wouldnt be in such a sad state and should not be rewarded because they didnt put the work and effort into their day that others did.

And nothing is lost if you throw a FP away but others in that line do benefit from it.

I can't help it ...Why should they benefit from my actions but not someone else?

Please...PLEASE don't answer. Seriously. As Dadddio pointed out, it's all a pointless discussion as the new MM+ system will not allow any gifting of FP. Let's just let the idea die a peaceful death.

 

[KrazeeK120]

A lot of people are saying that Fast passes are non-transferable. Could someone please post a picture of where, exactly, on the Fastpass that it says it's non-transferable? I actually do have a photo of the front of one on my phone and it's not there, so it must be on the back someplace. Although I swear I read the back of my Fastpass and did not see that verbiage.

At any rate, one morning I was at MK and pulled a FP for Space Mountain. Sometimes I have tummy trouble, particularly when traveling and eating foods I'm not accustomed to for several days straight. Anyway, when the time came for me to use my Fastpass, my tummy just wasn't going to handle it. I gave the FPs away because, like I said, I must have missed the verbiage where it says on the back that you can't give them away.

I also don't see how anyone can claim "abuse" of FPs when they were pulled legitimately. Different people have different strategies on how they tour. The best time to tour is at rope drop. That's when the park is least crowded. If you elect not to go at rope drop, you're either going to end up in long lines or with FPs that have returns several hours out. It comes down to what is a priority for you and your family, and only you can determine that. It doesn't make someone else's method of touring "wrong" just because it isn't what you want to do.

EDIT: OK fine, I Googled it and found it. Like I said...I wasn't feeling well at the time so I wasn't paying that close attention. And really, how many people ACTUALLY read FPs?? Most people grab them, stick them in a pocket, and move on. It doesn't make "rule breaking" right, but I am betting that there are a lot of people (like me) that have unknowingly broke the rules. Ultimately...giving away a non-transferable FP is probably not the worst thing I've ever done.

 

[mesaboy2]

A lot of people are saying that Fast passes are non-transferable. Could someone please post a picture of where, exactly, on the Fastpass that it says it's non-transferable? I actually do have a photo of the front of one on my phone and it's not there, so it must be on the back someplace. Although I swear I read the back of my Fastpass and did not see that verbiage.

At any rate, one morning I was at MK and pulled a FP for Space Mountain. Sometimes I have tummy trouble, particularly when traveling and eating foods I'm not accustomed to for several days straight. Anyway, when the time came for me to use my Fastpass, my tummy just wasn't going to handle it. I gave the FPs away because, like I said, I must have missed the verbiage where it says on the back that you can't give them away.

I also don't see how anyone can claim "abuse" of FPs when they were pulled legitimately. Different people have different strategies on how they tour. The best time to tour is at rope drop. That's when the park is least crowded. If you elect not to go at rope drop, you're either going to end up in long lines or with FPs that have returns several hours out. It comes down to what is a priority for you and your family, and only you can determine that. It doesn't make someone else's method of touring "wrong" just because it isn't what you want to do.

It is on the back. And I count really only one--it just seems like twenty.

 

[Jennasis]

A lot of people are saying that Fast passes are non-transferable. Could someone please post a picture of where, exactly, on the Fastpass that it says it's non-transferable? I actually do have a photo of the front of one on my phone and it's not there, so it must be on the back someplace. Although I swear I read the back of my Fastpass and did not see that verbiage.

At any rate, one morning I was at MK and pulled a FP for Space Mountain. Sometimes I have tummy trouble, particularly when traveling and eating foods I'm not accustomed to for several days straight. Anyway, when the time came for me to use my Fastpass, my tummy just wasn't going to handle it. I gave the FPs away because, like I said, I must have missed the verbiage where it says on the back that you can't give them away.

I also don't see how anyone can claim "abuse" of FPs when they were pulled legitimately. Different people have different strategies on how they tour. The best time to tour is at rope drop. That's when the park is least crowded. If you elect not to go at rope drop, you're either going to end up in long lines or with FPs that have returns several hours out. It comes down to what is a priority for you and your family, and only you can determine that. It doesn't make someone else's method of touring "wrong" just because it isn't what you want to do.

At the very bottom on the back:

 

[dadddio]

If there has been ANYONE that has been able to get 4 or 5 FPs for TSMM, I would be impressed.

My wie and I typically rode TSMM between five and seven times per day, all but the first being with FPs.

And besides, they all have the SAME opportunity to be at the park at rope drop just like my family. How am I taking something away from them if they CHOOSE to not do the same. I did not lock them in their room. In fact, I am the first to tell them they should really be at the park at rope drop to be able to do all they want to do with short waits. I ALWAYS encourage everyone to do the same as me!! If they do, then there would be no worry about be getting an extra FP for that ride again because before I am able to get, they will get it. But I also don't think I should sit on my hands or stand in a 2 hour line when there are FPs available so that you can have a swim in your pool before coming to park and still get a FP.

It isn't about opportunity, or effort, or anything like that. It's about maximizing profits by making the most people happy.

 

[KrazeeK120]

Thanks guys...I amended my post.

I can still think of about a zillion things I'd call someone out on before I'd call them out on the transferability of a FP. If that were at the top of my worry list, my, I'd have a pretty great life.

 

[dadddio]

Well then you and I fundamentally disagree, but I'm okay with that.

FWIW, I've also torn the tags off my pillow cases and mattresses and don't hold the handrail on the escalator.

Of those things, the only rule that you have broken is giving away FPs.

 

[tiggspring]

Yes, you pay for a ticket but when you get a FP, there are terms and conditions of that FP. They are not intended to be sold or transferred to another person.

And the intended purpose of that FP that you pulled was for you to fill that seat at a certain time.

Intent or not, you acted as a de facto secondary distributor of FPs and Disney has rules against that no matter how you try to justify yourself in breaking them.

And according to the logic on this thread, if that family in melt down mode would have worked harder or put in more effort and planning in their day then they wouldnt be in such a sad state and should not be rewarded because they didnt put the work and effort into their day that others did.

And nothing is lost if you throw a FP away but others in that line do benefit from it.

WOW

Guess when I'm on vacation I just don't feel that superior to everyone around me just because I'm a Disney nut and love to plan and got lots of help from Diser's gracious enough to share their time .Robo was sooo helpful our first trip...I chose to pass that kindness on. Enough said.


ROBO I'M with you! HELP !

 

[dadddio]

Maybe I'm wrong, but throwing an unused fastpass away would not help the standby line move any faster. It would only help the fastpass line to move even faster.

It would reduce the number of people in the FP line for that time period by one. Therefore, it would make the SB line 'faster' by one person.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Thanks guys...I amended my post.

I can still think of about a zillion things I'd call someone out on before I'd call them out on the transferability of a FP. If that were at the top of my worry list, my, I'd have a pretty great life.

You are right.

I only bring it up when people claim there was never any FP abuse or they never broke any FP rules as was mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Back of the fastpass.....it does say it. Guilty as charged, I am.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/frikitiki/4997685147/

Thank God the issue of a FP runner wasn't brought up, though. I would hate to think that Nontransferable meant my wife couldn't hand me her ticket in order to pick up a couple of FP for Space Mountain because I happen to be a faster walker than her.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

My wie and I typically rode TSMM between five and seven times per day, all but the first being with FPs.

Then I am impressed. We usually travel in June, are there at rope drop and head straight there. Get in the standby line and then get a FP once we get off. Most of the time, by the time it is time to use our FP, the FP are gone or are very late. The most FPs for TSMM we have ever gotten has been 2.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

UNCFanatik, you never answered what you would do in these cases.

If you found them in the ground, would you pick them up and throw them away so that no one else would use them?

Or how about you have already pulled your TSMM FP for the day and a CM offered you some more. Would you turn those down also?

 

[dadddio]

Then I am impressed. We usually travel in June, are there at rope drop and head straight there. Get in the standby line and then get a FP once we get off. Most of the time, by the time it is time to use our FP, the FP are gone or are very late. The most FPs for TSMM we have ever gotten has been 2.

You are doing it backwards, in my opinion.

Arrive at RD and stay on the CM's heals to the FP machine. Get FPs and ride using SB line. You will have twenty or thirty minutes until your FP return time. Go get a muffin. Exactly at your return time, get your second FP and then ride using your first FP. Enjoy your day, but be at the FP machine exactly at the moment when additional FPs can be obtained.

 

[dadddio]

UNCFanatik, you never answered what you would do in these cases.

I thought that we put that line of discussion to bed. It doesn't matter what he would do in those situations, because they will not be possible in the near future.

 

[Disneylover99]

It would reduce the number of people in the FP line for that time period by one. Therefore, it would make the SB line 'faster' by one person.

So what you are saying is that throwing out unused Fast passes will help the people in the stand by line move faster.

I don't see that. I'm not exactly sure of the ratio of cm's letting in fastpass users to standby users and I'm sure it varies depending on the ride but I remember hearing something like the ratio is 20 fastpass riders to 1 standby rider.

But the ques are always full of fast pass riders especially on TSM or other more popular rides. So if a few people don't show up because they threw away their fast passes, the people in the fastpass line will move through a little faster.

I still see no benefit for the standby people if there is a specific ratio for each ride.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I am sure you would feel different if the rules were broken and you came out on the short end of the stick. You would be crying all the way to guest relations.

I would never cry to guest relations because all of the FPs for a ride were gone for the day. It happens, such is life. If it made that much of a difference to me that I'd make that kind of fuss over not getting a FP for a ride, I'd be there at rope drop and do that before anything else. If I didn't want to put the effort into doing that, that's my choice.

 

[tmbacon]

Hi all - this is our 10th trip to WDW but admittedly it's been a few years since we've been there - obviously FP rules have changed. Can someone clarify: if we make it to RD, and use FP's for certain attractions, and then let's say around 11 AM or 12 PM, we go to TSM or some other big attraction, is there a possibility that FP's will be COMPLETELY sold out on that attraction for the entire rest of the day?

I apologize if this is a redundant question but after reading 12+ pages I'm still not sure I "get it". Man - Disney was a lot easier to navigate years ago.

 

[Robo]

Hi all - this is our 10th trip to WDW but admittedly it's been a few years since we've been there -


1- obviously FP rules have changed.

Can someone clarify:

if we make it to RD, and use FP's for certain attractions, and then let's say around 11 AM or 12 PM, we go to TSM or some other big attraction,

2- is there a possibility that FP's will be COMPLETELY sold out on that attraction for the entire rest of the day?

I apologize if this is a redundant question but

3- after reading 12+ pages I'm still not sure I "get it". Man - Disney was a lot easier to navigate years ago.

1- Not by much.

2- Yes. But, that has always been the case with the mega-popular attractions, especially TSM and Soarin'.
What varies with the crowd-level is exactly WHEN the FP's can run out for the day.
However, that's nothing new.

3- The only change in FP rules is that now, guests must use their FP's within the one-hour Return Window
printed on the FP.
That's the only change to the FP procedure that is in effect.

 

[tmbacon]

1- Not by much.

2- Yes. But, that has always been the case with the mega-popular attractions, especially TSM and Soarin'.
What varies with the crowd-level is exactly WHEN the FP's can run out for the day.
However, that's nothing new.

3- The only change in FP rules is that now, guests must use their FP's within the one-hour Return Window
printed on the FP.
That's the only change to the FP procedure that is in effect.

Thanks Robo. We'll be there first week in April, guess we'll just have to assume major attraction FP's could be sold out. We'll just have to deal with it. A very busy day at Disney for us is better than no day at Disney.