Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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For a possible re-open...

Virginia extended a stay at home order through June 10 today...and it's not a current hot spot...June 1 is gonna be a hard date to meet...
 
Just in case anyone was wondering what Pete's take on this was...

On his livestream yesterday, Pete stated his opinion that, while "it's a gamble," the free dining offer was an indication that Disney is "confident they'll open by June 1st," and that there was "no way" that they would have made they offer if they weren't confident.

Obviously it's just speculation on Pete's part (based on his experience) and the situation is very mercurial right now and could change at any time, so who knows what will eventually happen, but I just thought I'd share what the man himself had to say about all of this.
 
Just in case anyone was wondering what Pete's take on this was...

On his livestream yesterday, Pete stated his opinion that, while "it's a gamble," the free dining offer was an indication that Disney is "confident they'll open by June 1st," and that there was "no way" that they would have made they offer if they weren't confident.

Obviously it's just speculation on Pete's part (based on his experience) and the situation is very mercurial right now and could change at any time, so who knows what will eventually happen, but I just thought I'd share what the man himself had to say about all of this.


Yep I watch his Q&As to get a level headed opinion on this.
 
I understand that. But Disney can't financially survive on Florida attendees only. They rely on the rest of the US and world to support them. So if cases are still exploding elsewhere the in US, they would be fools to open up and allow them to attend. So, they'll either have to a) restrict it to Flordians only while it continues elsewhere. Which begs, can they afford to? or b) wait until it has settled down throughout the US
Ok. I was thinking more on the other side. If disney cant open due to florida issues and the rest of the country is past peak. You were looking at it the other way. We were on the same book. Different chapter.
 
Just in case anyone was wondering what Pete's take on this was...

On his livestream yesterday, Pete stated his opinion that, while "it's a gamble," the free dining offer was an indication that Disney is "confident they'll open by June 1st," and that there was "no way" that they would have made they offer if they weren't confident.

Obviously it's just speculation on Pete's part (based on his experience) and the situation is very mercurial right now and could change at any time, so who knows what will eventually happen, but I just thought I'd share what the man himself had to say about all of this.
The offering of free dining is zero indication of an opening date. Noone knows a date right now at all. Hence why the parks are closed indefinitely and even the things they tell you when you book specifically say IF the parks are open prior to or after the date of the reservation. They are not making any guarantees because they know not to.
 
The offering of free dining is zero indication of an opening date. Noone knows a date right now at all. Hence why the parks are closed indefinitely and even the things they tell you when you book specifically say IF the parks are open prior to or after the date of the reservation. They are not making any guarantees because they know not to.

I still would think that if they felt there was a zero percent chance to be open on June 1st they wouldn't let bookings happen then - I think this is an indication of what they *want* to happen and think there is potential to happen, but certainly no guarantee. I think part of it is also to get people to have the frame of mind that Disney will be open then, and to keep planning trips (and leaving deposit $).
 
The offering of free dining is zero indication of an opening date. Noone knows a date right now at all. Hence why the parks are closed indefinitely and even the things they tell you when you book specifically say IF the parks are open prior to or after the date of the reservation. They are not making any guarantees because they know not to.
Unless you personally know a Disney executive, it's highly unlikely that you know what dates Disney is or is not throwing around internally. None of us do.

Nowhere did I mention a "guarantee." I just shared Pete's opinion that Disney was "confident." As I said, it's just his opinion, and he admitted that everything is up in the air right now. However, given his extensive experience with Disney travel, and the fact that this is his website, there are a lot of people here who respect his opinion, so I felt it was worth sharing.
 
Because much of that data is as one poster used, uk data, or global data, or even us data. None of that is relative to florida or orlando. The virus is progressing at different rates in different places and has a different impact in each. The only information directly relative to WDW truly is what's happening in Florida. Because that has the largest impact on their decisions based on government decisions here.
But from the data I've been tracking, virtually every country is following the same sort of curve, albeit some countries are further along the curve than others, once you normalise the data for population size (something that most media outlets don't do). So we can expect the curve in Florida to follow the same sort of curve as elsewhere, and my statistical analysis shows that Florida is roughly where Italy was on 10th March. So I would put Florida around 3 weeks behind Italy, and given that Italy is peaking just about now, I expect the peak for Florida to come around 3 weeks from now. That would make the Florida peak late April, not mid-May. Then if we assume another 3-4 weeks of numbers dropping after that, I can see the parks opening up late May/early June. Which is why I can see that Disney seem to be aiming for a 1st June opening. If I was a betting man, that is the date I would aim for too.

Of course, the big question then is will people be allowed to enter Florida? The US seems to be well behind Europe, so I would expect our restrictions to be eased before the US, so I am confident that, as a Brit, we might be allowed into the US, as our numbers are likely to have dropped by then. But will US citizens be allowed into the UK at that point, as numbers of cases will likely be higher in the US than UK by then? In which case, transatlantic flights might not be fully working by that point.

So I can see travel restrictions being the limiting factor on the decision for Disney to re-open, and infection rates outside of Florida, rather than the infection rates in Florida itself, will dictate that.
 
The only thing we know lately is how quickly things change from day to day, even hour to hour. Better to be prepared and optimistic for June and then push it out again, than it is to have things settling down and not be prepared to open the doors again. Is it likely they'll push back the June 1st date? Probably. But at some point, we're going to start things up again, and June 1st is the current line in the sand for many places. But no one knows - no one - at this point.
 
This only works if you are assuming FL will be the last hit. If they are in the middle, or if other areas linger longer, then what happens in other areas will absolutely affect FL. WDW is not a FL park like a Six Flags would be. It's a local, national, and international park. So some businesses in FL may open long before WDW would. The supposition that only FL matters to WDW is simply incorrect. It may matter most, since WDW will not open until FL says it can, but it won't be the only factor. Not by a long shot.
From my number crunching, Florida is roughly in the middle of states. So you are quite correct that some normality may well return to Florida before the whole of the US as a whole. Of course the big question is do you open up the country state by state, or the whole country at once?
 
But from the data I've been tracking, virtually every country is following the same sort of curve, albeit some countries are further along the curve than others, once you normalise the data for population size (something that most media outlets don't do). So we can expect the curve in Florida to follow the same sort of curve as elsewhere, and my statistical analysis shows that Florida is roughly where Italy was on 10th March. So I would put Florida around 3 weeks behind Italy, and given that Italy is peaking just about now, I expect the peak for Florida to come around 3 weeks from now. That would make the Florida peak late April, not mid-May. Then if we assume another 3-4 weeks of numbers dropping after that, I can see the parks opening up late May/early June. Which is why I can see that Disney seem to be aiming for a 1st June opening. If I was a betting man, that is the date I would aim for too.

Of course, the big question then is will people be allowed to enter Florida? The US seems to be well behind Europe, so I would expect our restrictions to be eased before the US, so I am confident that, as a Brit, we might be allowed into the US, as our numbers are likely to have dropped by then. But will US citizens be allowed into the UK at that point, as numbers of cases will likely be higher in the US than UK by then? In which case, transatlantic flights might not be fully working by that point.

So I can see travel restrictions being the limiting factor on the decision for Disney to re-open, and infection rates outside of Florida, rather than the infection rates in Florida itself, will dictate that.

The peak for the state of Florida is generally set at the first week of May. This is also evident with the south Florida stay at home order just announced.

I will take your bet, and I hope I lose. Disney Springs might be open by early June, but the parks won't be until July most likely.

US will not ease restrictions for international travelers faster than UK. There is no way. We will have just come out of shutting everything down for the first wave, US will not risk the start of a second wave by opening up intnernational travel once until world has got it under control.
 
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For a possible re-open...

Virginia extended a stay at home order through June 10 today...and it's not a current hot spot...June 1 is gonna be a hard date to meet...
Actually, death rates in Virginia are very similar to Florida at the moment, if you normalise the data for population - so that June 10th stay at home order in Virginia is a very good indicator, and I would say might point to a risk to the 1st June opening. I still think that restrictions lifting late May is more likely, but if some states still have stay at home orders in place, it would be more difficult for Disney to re-open (although not impossible).
 
From my number crunching, Florida is roughly in the middle of states. So you are quite correct that some normality may well return to Florida before the whole of the US as a whole. Of course the big question is do you open up the country state by state, or the whole country at once?
I think you mostly open state by state for lifting curfew and shelter in place and opening the vast majority of non-essential businesses. But things like WDW and cruise ships that by their very nature are not bound by states might not be so easy to do that way. They may need to wait a little longer than getting your local barbershop back in business.
 
Ok. I was thinking more on the other side. If disney cant open due to florida issues and the rest of the country is past peak. You were looking at it the other way. We were on the same book. Different chapter.

:) Gotcha!!! Sorry about that! I was a little surprised, as I felt like I had been agreeing with all your posts lately, LOL.
 
But from the data I've been tracking, virtually every country is following the same sort of curve, albeit some countries are further along the curve than others, once you normalise the data for population size (something that most media outlets don't do). So we can expect the curve in Florida to follow the same sort of curve as elsewhere, and my statistical analysis shows that Florida is roughly where Italy was on 10th March. So I would put Florida around 3 weeks behind Italy, and given that Italy is peaking just about now, I expect the peak for Florida to come around 3 weeks from now. That would make the Florida peak late April, not mid-May. Then if we assume another 3-4 weeks of numbers dropping after that, I can see the parks opening up late May/early June. Which is why I can see that Disney seem to be aiming for a 1st June opening. If I was a betting man, that is the date I would aim for too.

Of course, the big question then is will people be allowed to enter Florida? The US seems to be well behind Europe, so I would expect our restrictions to be eased before the US, so I am confident that, as a Brit, we might be allowed into the US, as our numbers are likely to have dropped by then. But will US citizens be allowed into the UK at that point, as numbers of cases will likely be higher in the US than UK by then? In which case, transatlantic flights might not be fully working by that point.

So I can see travel restrictions being the limiting factor on the decision for Disney to re-open, and infection rates outside of Florida, rather than the infection rates in Florida itself, will dictate that.
All the models including the most reliable us model from the university of Washington shows florida peak mid may. CDC confirmed that the us has various time frames due to a lot of factors and the UW stat model.is indeed the most accurate. You cant use the time frame from other places to extrapolate any other place due to different quarantine, stay at home, etc timeframes. Each area is individual. So based on the most accurate model which took those factors into account. Mid may peak in florida, 4- 6 week.peak, puts it early july. Then the decrease in cases moves it to mid july. Those fall in line with what we are actually seeing in florida.
 
From my number crunching, Florida is roughly in the middle of states. So you are quite correct that some normality may well return to Florida before the whole of the US as a whole. Of course the big question is do you open up the country state by state, or the whole country at once?
But from the data I've been tracking, virtually every country is following the same sort of curve, albeit some countries are further along the curve than others, once you normalise the data for population size (something that most media outlets don't do). So we can expect the curve in Florida to follow the same sort of curve as elsewhere, and my statistical analysis shows that Florida is roughly where Italy was on 10th March. So I would put Florida around 3 weeks behind Italy, and given that Italy is peaking just about now, I expect the peak for Florida to come around 3 weeks from now. That would make the Florida peak late April, not mid-May. Then if we assume another 3-4 weeks of numbers dropping after that, I can see the parks opening up late May/early June. Which is why I can see that Disney seem to be aiming for a 1st June opening. If I was a betting man, that is the date I would aim for too.

Of course, the big question then is will people be allowed to enter Florida? The US seems to be well behind Europe, so I would expect our restrictions to be eased before the US, so I am confident that, as a Brit, we might be allowed into the US, as our numbers are likely to have dropped by then. But will US citizens be allowed into the UK at that point, as numbers of cases will likely be higher in the US than UK by then? In which case, transatlantic flights might not be fully working by that point.

So I can see travel restrictions being the limiting factor on the decision for Disney to re-open, and infection rates outside of Florida, rather than the infection rates in Florida itself, will dictate that.
This site has modeling for each state. It predicts May 3 for the peak for Florida with a mid June all clear of sorts.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
 
For a possible re-open...

Virginia extended a stay at home order through June 10 today...and it's not a current hot spot...June 1 is gonna be a hard date to meet...

That is because VA's peak isn't modeled to be until May 17th or so, Florida's is 2-3 weeks earlier
 
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