Pyotr
DIS Veteran
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- Jun 17, 2018
Unless you were in China in December 2019, the chance you had the virus is like 0.00000000001%
No. It was in the US in December. I work with the public and come in contact with a lot of people.
Unless you were in China in December 2019, the chance you had the virus is like 0.00000000001%
So is resisting arrest with violence and assaulting a police officer, which she has pending in Louisiana if she ever goes back. It occurred when she was fired from LSU.
No. It was in the US in December. I work with the public and come in contact with a lot of people.
What would a positive test do for you? Are you planning to donate plasma?I have another antibodies test scheduled for tomorrow. I took one in May, but it was negative.
I’m still convinced I had it this past December. I never, ever get sick but for a week I had flu like symptoms.
More of the medical community is coming on board that instead of doing these sweeping restrictions that the focus instead should be on more localized efforts.My state is crazy with Covid infections. We've had over 20,000 new cases in the last 7 days with a record shattering 3,747 from today. Our governor keeps on trying to establish rules to control the pandemic (a state wide mask rule and a rule to limit bars and restaurants to 25%) and he keeps on being sued and his rules overturned. 20% of the people being tested are positive and a field hospital opened up at our state fairgrounds. It's very frustrating to see things go to heck in a handbasket while people ignore best practices.
That's a problem that governments at every level have had. Elected officials usually have specific powers, and sometimes the setup is strong-mayor (governor/whatever) and sometimes it's weak. They can only do what they can legally do, and that is often a difficult problem in times like these.My state is crazy with Covid infections. We've had over 20,000 new cases in the last 7 days with a record shattering 3,747 from today. Our governor keeps on trying to establish rules to control the pandemic (a state wide mask rule and a rule to limit bars and restaurants to 25%) and he keeps on being sued and his rules overturned. 20% of the people being tested are positive and a field hospital opened up at our state fairgrounds. It's very frustrating to see things go to heck in a handbasket while people ignore best practices.
I think that most of the medical community believes in wearing masks but most of my state appears not to agree. Localized efforts won't do squat because the local authorities where the biggest outbreaks are have no interest in doing anything, including complying with previous orders, to help mitigate the spread. Localized efforts are not the solution here. It's the freaking wild, wild west with people doing whatever the heck they feel like filling up bars and socializing in groups with no masks. Thousands of people are getting sick every day and hundreds of people are dying.More of the medical community is coming on board that instead of doing these sweeping restrictions that the focus instead should be on more localized efforts.
Maybe a more localized approach in your state could funnel that energy towards that instead of constant battles for control at the state level. I say that having had my state in that position and my governor announcing that she will be backing off and instead have health departments take a guidance role rather than a dictating role. Paramount to me is Federal aid and resources like testing kits. I would rather they fight over that than fighting for who has legal authority and who doesn't and what restrictions should be there and what shouldn't. Understandably so people are concerned about compliance too.
Doesn't matter, chance is extremely remote.
What would a positive test do for you? Are you planning to donate plasma?
That's pretty awesome! I hope that things work out for you.Yes.
I think that's actually the reason why they are starting to advocate for more localized approach or more or less what might have worked better in the beginning.I think that most of the medical community believes in wearing masks but most of my state appears not to agree. Localized efforts won't do squat because the local authorities where the biggest outbreaks are have no interest in doing anything, including complying with previous orders, to help mitigate the spread. Localized efforts are not the solution here. It's the freaking wild, wild west with people doing whatever the heck they feel like filling up bars and socializing in groups with no masks. Thousands of people are getting sick every day and hundreds of people are dying.
The key is compliance, and it doesn't matter who issues a regulation if there is no enforcement. You can't always enforce rules on individuals, but in South Florida many of the offenders were not individuals, but businesses. And businesses can be effectively sanctioned.The exact quote from my governor was "A much more effective way is to have the local buy-in,"
Correct about compliance but I think the thought behind it is you're not getting compliance by strong arming people, by having state-wide actions and more. It can push people to do the opposite.The key is compliance, and it doesn't matter who issues a regulation if there is no enforcement. You can't always enforce rules on individuals, but in South Florida many of the offenders were not individuals, but businesses. And businesses can be effectively sanctioned.
Some of our most effective enforcement is through city and county zoning and health agencies. I'll give a couple of examples:
Often people think the fix is to make the actions criminal and have the police enforce the rules, but that has not been our experience. We tried it, but neither the prosecutors nor judges were going to allow criminal courts to be jammed up with that kind of case. So we switched to the administrative/regulatory agencies and used them...with good success.
- Miami Beach had problems with people renting AirBnBs to hold big parties. AirBnB tried, but they really couldn't enforce their no-party rules. So the city shut down AirBnB rentals. Problem solved.
- Another city had a restaurant/bar that was ignoring all capacity, masking, and distancing requirements. Zoning inspectors repeatedly cited them and issued fines. The business ignored everything. So finally, the city fined them $15,000, revoked their business license, and closed them permanently.
I didn't explain it very well, but the problem with state-wide mandates is that states typically do not have the resources to do the enforcement work. And without enforcement, it just won't work.Correct about compliance but I think the thought behind it is you're not getting compliance by strong arming people, by having state-wide actions and more. It can push people to do the opposite.
Right.A localized approach from the beginning would have meant that county could have taken a risk analysis of their own area and enforced things as they saw fit. That county is rural and agriculture (in which farming communities typically have less COVID cases due to their activities).
I think that most of the medical community believes in wearing masks but most of my state appears not to agree. Localized efforts won't do squat because the local authorities where the biggest outbreaks are have no interest in doing anything, including complying with previous orders, to help mitigate the spread. Localized efforts are not the solution here. It's the freaking wild, wild west with people doing whatever the heck they feel like filling up bars and socializing in groups with no masks. Thousands of people are getting sick every day and hundreds of people are dying.
Or it will just lead to more rebellion and ruin. Who knows I guess.Wisconsin in particular, is getting out of control. Drastic measures from the top to bottom are going to be needed to tame the situation IMO.
I've long been discussing that different places need different things so I don't disagree with you.Right.
But when we used the localized approach in Florida, people in other states were screaming that we should have statewide regulation -- even though their states were doing the same thing we were doing.
The problem is that Brooklyn is different from Lake Placid. Downtown Miami is different from downtown Ocala or downtown Two Egg (yes, there is a Two Egg, Florida!) Chicago is very different from southern Illinois. Detroit is very different from the UP.
Different strokes for different folks often works better.
I guess from the beginning I never assumed that enforcement would actually be there 100%. No matter whatever is decided, be it local or state or federal, there won't be enough to enforce it 100%. Most decisions I guess hope for deterrence and sometimes that works quite well and other times not.I didn't explain it very well, but the problem with state-wide mandates is that states typically do not have the resources to do the enforcement work. And without enforcement, it just won't work.
No state has sufficient numbers of people with the appropriate legal authority to enforce something like a mask mandate statewide, as one example. And if you add in capacity limits on businesses, etc, the manpower shortage becomes even more severe. So even if you did have widespread agreement with a mandate, you simply would not have enough bodies to cover the whole state.
Or it will just lead to more rebellion and ruin. Who knows I guess.