CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Colleen27]

Shutting up does not cure COVID, it just prolongs it until people start to being people again. Do not be so negative. Vaccines are now available, so the solution is to get vaccinated. Let us all stop scolding people for wanting to live again. Being shut in ones house 24/7 is not living. If someone gets COVID who is not vaccinated that is there own fault and not those who did get vaccinated. What is that quote: "You're either busy living or busy dying" (from Shawshank Redemption).

Well, yeah. Way back when this all started, the aim was clear: don't let the hospitals get overwhelmed. Not don't let the virus spread at all. I'm not sure quite what I think of our governor relying on vaccination alone to end this surge while we're in the middle of our third bout of hospitals at the breaking point (the first time only in the Detroit area, the second and third times widespread across the state). At this exact moment, the two closest hospitals to me are not able to admit new patients because they are completely full due to covid and that seems to me to warrant at least some modest increase in restrictions.

But it is not like we haven't been living this whole past year; I've traveled in two of the most restrictive states in the union (mostly in Michigan, with a short trip to California to see my daughter) and didn't feel like we were missing anything due to the restrictions that were/are in place. Other than getting carryout or dining outside rather than in and going to the drive-in rather than regular theatres last summer, there really wasn't much difference between traveling here and traveling in no-restrictions Florida. The things I miss right now are things that aren't coming back regardless of the rules - concerts and other live entertainment, mostly - and being able to cross the border to Canada (which is 5 minutes from my house).

 

[rjb123]

Shutting up does not cure COVID, it just prolongs it until people start to being people again. Do not be so negative. Vaccines are now available, so the solution is to get vaccinated. Let us all stop scolding people for wanting to live again. Being shut in ones house 24/7 is not living. If someone gets COVID who is not vaccinated that is there own fault and not those who did get vaccinated. What is that quote: "You're either busy living or busy dying" (from Shawshank Redemption).

Good to know that if my kids get covid it’s their fault. Including my high risk teen would would sell a kidney to get one. But oh yeah it’s not approved for her age! FYI there are a lot of kids out there who are getting covid, going to the ER and suffering long term issues. So until there is a vaccine for them, you “living your life” is killing and damaging the lungs and hearts of kids.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Shutting up does not cure COVID, it just prolongs it until people start to being people again. Do not be so negative. Vaccines are now available, so the solution is to get vaccinated. Let us all stop scolding people for wanting to live again. Being shut in ones house 24/7 is not living. If someone gets COVID who is not vaccinated that is there own fault and not those who did get vaccinated. What is that quote: "You're either busy living or busy dying" (from Shawshank Redemption).

Why is it always all or nothing? And I say that going both ways. Except for a handful of anecdotal experiences, nobody is shut in their house 24/7. There is a huge difference in that and taking precautions to protect others. At some point, will the responsibility be put on those who won't get vaccinated? Yes. But we aren't there yet. Eligibility for 16+ just opened many places. Younger kids can't be vaccinated yet. So maybe stop scolding people who are suggesting a little more patience/time.

 

[EACarlson]

Well first of all you can't blame Michigan's recent surge on "draconian lock downs" because they weren't in fact on one, still aren't and have announced that they don't plan to in the near future.

Secondly.
Cases per million.

North Dakota 138,773
South Dakota 136, 839
Iowa 123,391
Indiana 105,176
Illinois 102,767
Wisconsin 101,477
Minnesota 98,883
National average. 97,917
Ohio 90,099
Michigan 87,485.

Yup. Michigan is totally lousy. It's only lowest in the entire upper midwest and despite a recent surge now, still has better numbers than the national average and better numbers than the rest of the upper midwest.

Now let's take a look at Wisconsin's county numbers. They report in cases per 100k. The numbers per million would be different but the order of who is worst vs who is best would be unchanged.
You mentioned Dane. They are at 8,232 per 100,000. The state as a whole reports 10,213. So Dane is actually well under the state average. Milwaukee County is at 10,956 which is over the state average. But it's far from the worst. There are 17 counties over 11,000.

You are bringing up numbers from the last 15 months, I am talking about numbers and trends we are seeing now. Michigan once again is straining it's health care systems, MN is reporting 2,700 cases a day and WI is reporting 800. Yes, the draconian lockdowns, (yes it is a draconian lock down when you have the government telling you what stores can be open and which departments of those stores you can sell things from) kept numbers lower in MI at the beginning, and to some extent when all of the upper midwest saw the spikes in October and November, but it seems like those numbers are evening out now.

What I have been seeing is 20-25% of the states cases reported over the last three weeks have come from Milwaukee County, another 10% comes from Dane. On any given day any other county can jump up but those two have consistently been higher than they should be if everything that is supposed to mitigate spread actually worked.

 

[Colleen27]

You are bringing up numbers from the last 15 months, I am talking about numbers and trends we are seeing now. Michigan once again is straining it's health care systems, MN is reporting 2,700 cases a day and WI is reporting 800. Yes, the draconian lockdowns, (yes it is a draconian lock down when you have the government telling you what stores can be open and which departments of those stores you can sell things from) kept numbers lower in MI at the beginning, and to some extent when all of the upper midwest saw the spikes in October and November, but it seems like those numbers are evening out now.

This was only done at the very, very beginning, and the "essential departments only" was not part of the government order. That was part of the reason for the initial backlash, because a book store couldn't sell books but Walmart could and a craft store couldn't sell craft supplies but Meijer could and a greenhouse couldn't sell plants/seeds/soil but Lowes could, so the financial impact fell disproportionately on small and independent businesses. And most of the early restrictions weren't done at all in the fall - the second round came in mid-Nov. and was limited to no indoor dining or recreation (gyms, bowling alleys, movie theatres) and high schools & colleges had to go to distance learning. You could still wander the mall and buy anything you'd like, and my middle schooler still had to get up and go to school every morning.

IMO, draconian is what they've done in some European countries and now in Ontario, where even taking a walk or a drive too far from home can get you in trouble. Closing down all of the businesses that were impacted by the first shutdown was inconvenient and probably excessive, which is why subsequent measures have been more moderate, but since no one knew anything about the virus back then, I can understand the desire to err on the side of caution. Remember, back then people were still being told to wipe down groceries and sanitize everything because we didn't even know if it was transmitted by surface contamination yet. At that point, it made a sort of sense to think of retail and parks and other public spaces as riskier than we now know they are. And as the national numbers show, we're still a good ways from the numbers evening out - we're about 10,000 cases per million below the national average and 40,000 cases per million behind states that took a wide-open approach. Even with a 1% fatality rate, that's hundreds of people who are alive today because of the precautions that likely wouldn't be if we'd seen the numbers other states have.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

You are bringing up numbers from the last 15 months, I am talking about numbers and trends we are seeing now. Michigan once again is straining it's health care systems, MN is reporting 2,700 cases a day and WI is reporting 800. Yes, the draconian lockdowns, (yes it is a draconian lock down when you have the government telling you what stores can be open and which departments of those stores you can sell things from) kept numbers lower in MI at the beginning, and to some extent when all of the upper midwest saw the spikes in October and November, but it seems like those numbers are evening out now.

What I have been seeing is 20-25% of the states cases reported over the last three weeks have come from Milwaukee County, another 10% comes from Dane. On any given day any other county can jump up but those two have consistently been higher than they should be if everything that is supposed to mitigate spread actually worked.

The problem is your statement about Draconian lock downs does not apply to the last two weeks and if we go back to the time it even applies via a big stretch in logic, then we can't use just the last two weeks of data. Michigan was 44th in the nation in cases per million according to another poster prior to this latest surge. They're 38th now. So Michigan, does not fit your narrative. What you're doing is cherry picking and trying to shoe horn a narrative in that is not supported by the facts. Michigan was not on such immediately prior to the surge, is not on such now, and has announced just recently that they have no immediate plans to institute such. Did you not see the news stories about that?

 

[AvidDisReader]

Good to know that if my kids get covid it’s their fault. Including my high risk teen would would sell a kidney to get one. But oh yeah it’s not approved for her age! FYI there are a lot of kids out there who are getting covid, going to the ER and suffering long term issues. So until there is a vaccine for them, you “living your life” is killing and damaging the lungs and hearts of kids.

That is just totally not true. Please do not mislead people. If I am fully vaccinate I cannot SPREAD the disease. Also, Pfizer is working on a vaccine for those under 16. So yes, those who are vaccinated should get on living.

 

[EACarlson]

The problem is your statement about Draconian lock downs does not apply to the last two weeks and if we go back to the time it even applies via a big stretch in logic, then we can't use just the last two weeks of data.

You completely missed the point of my first statement. That those states that did everything they could to stop the virus, seem to have merely pushed the numbers further down the road.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

That is just totally not true. Please do not mislead people. If I am fully vaccinate I cannot SPREAD the disease. Also, Pfizer is working on a vaccine for those under 16. So yes, those who are vaccinated should get on living.

That is not true. No vaccine is 100%, including this one. It is unlikely that somebody fully vaccinated will spread it, not impossible though. You are the one spreading false information.

And yes, they are working on one. That means it’s not ready yet. So a little patience & time isn’t asking a lot. Again, people can live while still taking mitigating measures to protect others.

 

[Colleen27]

Which is weird. I wonder if it has anything to do with their proximity to Canada. Or is it a compliance issue.

I've said my piece before about the role of luck/timing re: the variants, but I also think it is hard to overstate the compliance factor in some of the places that led the way in the variant becoming widespread. The part of Michigan that led the way in this surge was the Thumb, which is a beautiful place in many ways but also has been a breeding ground for paranoia and militias and all manner of anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-modern medicine nonsense. Compliance has never been great here and gets worse with every passing week, and unfortunately, this is a region where people live to commute both into the Detroit area (from the southern counties) and into Flint/Saginaw (from the northern and western counties) so when the virus became widespread here, it was bound to quickly spill over to more densely populated parts of the state... and to Ontario, which I believe is suffering from proximity to us rather than the other way around, because so many people commute across the border and so much cargo moves between the two countries every day.

You completely missed the point of my first statement. That those states that did everything they could to stop the virus, seem to have merely pushed the numbers further down the road.

But isn't that an achievement in itself? While many other states faced their highest rates at times when there were few treatments and no vaccine, we're "catching up" on those numbers now, at a time when the majority of our elderly population and high-exposure groups like healthcare workers and teachers are vaccinated (teachers actually have a much higher acceptance rate here than even medical workers too - 80% in a recent survey!). Our hospitals are struggling again but they're administering monoclonal antibodies and other treatments that are helping to keep our death rate from following the case rate sharply upward. And if you think back to this time last year, that was exactly what the initial round of lockdowns was supposed to achieve - to spread out the cases to protect the hospitals and to push at least some cases further down the road to when we would have a better understanding of the virus.

 

[AvidDisReader]

That is not true. No vaccine is 100%, including this one. It is unlikely that somebody fully vaccinated will spread it, not impossible though. You are the one spreading false information.

And yes, they are working on one. That means it’s not ready yet. So a little patience & time isn’t asking a lot. Again, people can live while still taking mitigating measures to protect others.

I am not spreading misinformation. The chances of spreading COVID is less than 7% per Pfizers tests, so yes a small chance. And I never said that social distancing should not continue, but the need for masks should not be forced on those fully vaccinated. The problem I had with your original post was saying that a fully vaccinated person was causing children to die, now that is just off the charts wrong. I do not like to keep pointing this out, but for the most part the American people have been very patient with the COVID precautions. It has been over a year. The original statements by all public officials was once the vaccines were available that the mandates would end. Well , the vaccines are out there. So if anyone has a problem with people now wanting to go without masks, than get vaccinated. It is not fare (nor is it really legal but I will not go into that conversation) for those who got vaccinated to have to continue a practice of wearing a mask that they find very objectionable.

 

[Colleen27]

And I never said that social distancing should not continue, but the need for masks should not be forced on those fully vaccinated.

It is interesting how many people see masks as the thing they want to go away. I'd rather wear a mask forever and be able to go to events and gatherings that don't allow for social distancing, but it seems like most people feel the other way - they're okay with distancing, which means a continued pause on large events, as long as they don't have to wear masks.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

It is interesting how many people see masks as the thing they want to go away. I'd rather wear a mask forever and be able to go to events and gatherings that don't allow for social distancing, but it seems like most people feel the other way - they're okay with distancing, which means a continued pause on large events, as long as they don't have to wear masks.

I was just typing a response to that. I get not wanting to, I get being over it. But I also understand it's not only about me. Would be interesting to see what overlap there could be on those speaking up the most on a mask (especially when words like forced, diaper, and other such descriptors are used) on other issues.

 

[godisney14]

The original statements by all public officials was once the vaccines were available that the mandates would end.

I don’t need to see all statements all public officials, but care to point to even a few of these statements?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I am not spreading misinformation. The chances of spreading COVID is less than 7% per Pfizers tests, so yes a small chance. And I never said that social distancing should not continue, but the need for masks should not be forced on those fully vaccinated. The problem I had with your original post was saying that a fully vaccinated person was causing children to die, now that is just off the charts wrong. I do not like to keep pointing this out, but for the most part the American people have been very patient with the COVID precautions. It has been over a year. The original statements by all public officials was once the vaccines were available that the mandates would end. Well , the vaccines are out there. So if anyone has a problem with people now wanting to go without masks, than get vaccinated. It is not fare (nor is it really legal but I will not go into that conversation) for those who got vaccinated to have to continue a practice of wearing a mask that they find very objectionable.

My original post? You’ve got the wrong person.

But 7% is not the same as never, which was your claim. So yes, it was wrong. And again, not everybody can get the vaccination right now. Being eligible doesn’t mean it’s available.

So you’re a proponent of forced vaccination then? Because the only way we get to a place like that is through herd immunity. And that’s actually when health officials said mitigation factors could go. Not when half the adult population got their first dose.

And yes, it’s absolutely legal.

But truthfully, what is so objectionable to a piece of cloth? That word sounds very dramatic.

 

[Jonfw2]

Regardless of the specific of this discussion, I think the bottom-line is this: by summer, everyone who wishes to be vaccinated will have had the chance. Cases will also be dropping then due to it being summer. At that point, there will be no appetite for mask wearing or social distancing.

 

[Colleen27]

I don’t need to see all statements all public officials, but care to point to even a few of these statements?

I'd like to see that too. I have a hard time believing any significant number officials could be so short-sighted as to focus on there being a vaccine available rather than on the rates at which that vaccine has reached people. Getting to fully vaccinated is a 5-6 week process from the first shot, and in a lot of places, getting an appointment for that first shot can still take days or weeks. I just helped another loved one make hers yesterday because she'd been trying for a few weeks now with no luck, and I've pretty much mastered the art of the hunt after getting appointments for my own household. So the vaccine just being available would be a rather stupid test to use because its mere existence isn't what protects people.

 

[AvidDisReader]

It is interesting how many people see masks as the thing they want to go away. I'd rather wear a mask forever and be able to go to events and gatherings that don't allow for social distancing, but it seems like most people feel the other way - they're okay with distancing, which means a continued pause on large events, as long as they don't have to wear masks.

Each to his own. And once we reach herd immunity there should be no need for social distancing as I too miss going to a baseball game with my grandkids. To piggyback, as of 4/19 there are 85Million fully vaccinated (or 31% of adult population) and 132 million at least one shot (or 49% of adult population).

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The original statements by all public officials was once the vaccines were available that the mandates would end.

that was def. not said by my governor, wasn't said by my county, my mayor, by my state's health director, by my county's health director, etc. Quite the opposite really in that they stressed just because vaccinations were starting it wasn't the time to just let it all go.

We really don't have too much restrictions in my area at the moment as those were reduced in Feb or so after being reintroduced in the Fall (masks is one of the main ones which you clearly would object to) but it was never contingent on vaccine availability.

 

[RamblingMad]

It is interesting how many people see masks as the thing they want to go away. I'd rather wear a mask forever and be able to go to events and gatherings that don't allow for social distancing, but it seems like most people feel the other way - they're okay with distancing, which means a continued pause on large events, as long as they don't have to wear masks.

I don’t get it.

The timeline is looking like two more years now. That’s about what it will take to get the vaccines FDA approved and made mandatory at least in schools.

What does a Disney cruise look like with no kids under the age of 16?