NY Travel Advisory starting 11/4. NJ & CT have separate lists now

How exactly does this work? Say you fly from MI to NJ. You are ordered to fill out a form at the airport then you get a call the next day? Then you keep getting texts for the next 10 days? Are you told to stay away from family members?
 
Take a look at the MA map. 😄 MA is allowing a negative test within 72 hours in place of quarantine (I'm very up on MA and CT since I live in one and work in the other and just traveled to FL).

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Just hang up the "we're closed" sign and be done with it!!!!

I didn't realize NJ made their bad list, I guess due to the recent spikes.
 


CT changed their rules recently (within the last month) and are now accepting a negative test within 72 hours of arrival in place of a 14 day quarantine.

Thanks! I didn't know they had changed their rule back again. :bored:Of the 3 states, CT always, enviably, has the lowest infection rate. :cloud9: I guess, as the science, knowledge, and testing has gotten more accurate and they have such a low infection rate, around 1.3%-ish, they consider it safe enough to add testing back on. :thumbsup2 (I will update Post #4 for CT in a bit.) This is what's great about group/community threads. We can all help keep each other up to date. :teacher:

The CT.gov Coronavirus webpage does say though it has to be a specific type of COVID-19 test. The 15-20 min. rapid antigen tests are not sensitive enough to detect really low infectious doses of COVID, that might still need time to incubate in the body to a detectable level for the rapid tests. This is also important to know, as not all labs do the different kinds of tests. Call ahead and ASK them which COVID-19 test they do. If you are coming from a state that makes you pays for COVID-19 tests out of pocket, or your insurance will only cover one test, or a certain kind, this could be costly mistake, or inconvenience you by a few days as you have to get the right kind of test. :headache:

"15. What tests are acceptable for the testing option? Nucleic acid tests such as reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests are the only acceptable testing option. Neither rapid antigen tests nor antibody tests for COVID-19 satisfy the testing requirement for the testing exemption. "​
[Here's the rest of the section about a test being an acceptable substitute in CT: (not in NY or NJ.)]​
14. Can travelers be tested for COVID-19 instead of self-quarantine? Yes, an Affected Traveler is exempt from the self-quarantine requirement if the Affected Traveler (1) has had a test for COVID-19 in the seventy-two (72) hours prior to arrival in Connecticut or at any time following arrival in Connecticut, (2) the result of such COVID-19 test is negative, and (3) he or she has provided written proof of such negative test result to the Commissioner via email to: DPH.COVID-Travel@ct.gov or via facsimile to: (860) 326-0529. If a test was obtained in the seventy-two (72) hours prior to arrival in Connecticut, or following arrival in Connecticut, and such Affected Traveler has not yet received his or her test results, such traveler shall remain in self-quarantine in Connecticut until a negative test result is submitted to the Commissioner. If the test result is positive and the traveler is asymptomatic, he or she shall self-isolate for ten (10) days from the date of the test; if symptomatic, he or she should seek medical assistance. Travelers who test positive for COVID-19 prior to traveling to Connecticut should delay such travel and consult with a medical professional. All Affected Travelers are required to complete the Travel Health Form.​

Link to CT.gov Coronavirus website for more info:
https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus/Travel

(I'm very up on MA and CT since I live in one and work in the other and just traveled to FL).

PLEASE feel free to add, update, or change any CT info here as you find out. :flower3: I generally only hear about CT if there is something significant that makes the news here. As I already mentioned, they tend to have the lowest numbers all the time. So they don't make our news cycle as much. So, often, I just forget to check otherwise. :blush:
 
do you have to quarantine 14 days upon return if you get a rapid covid test?

@SRQ57 You didn't mention which state you are coming back to. If it's CT, turns out a COVID test is an acceptable substitute after all. But, NOT the rapid COVID test. See these posts below:
CT changed their rules recently (within the last month) and are now accepting a negative test within 72 hours of arrival in place of a 14 day quarantine.​
and:​
The CT.gov Coronavirus webpage does say though it has to be a specific type of COVID-19 test. The 15-20 min. rapid antigen tests are not sensitive enough to detect really low infectious doses of COVID, that might still need time to incubate in the body to a detectable level for the rapid tests. This is also important to know, as not all labs do the different kinds of tests. Call ahead and ASK them which COVID-19 test they do. If you are coming from a state that makes you pays for COVID-19 tests out of pocket, or your insurance will only cover one test, or a certain kind, this could be costly mistake, or inconvenience you by a few days as you have to get the right kind of test. :headache:

"15. What tests are acceptable for the testing option? Nucleic acid tests such as reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests are the only acceptable testing option. Neither rapid antigen tests nor antibody tests for COVID-19 satisfy the testing requirement for the testing exemption. "[Here's the rest of the section about a test being an acceptable substitute in CT: (not in NY or NJ.)]14. Can travelers be tested for COVID-19 instead of self-quarantine? Yes, an Affected Traveler is exempt from the self-quarantine requirement if the Affected Traveler (1) has had a test for COVID-19 in the seventy-two (72) hours prior to arrival in Connecticut or at any time following arrival in Connecticut, (2) the result of such COVID-19 test is negative, and (3) he or she has provided written proof of such negative test result to the Commissioner via email to: DPH.COVID-Travel@ct.gov or via facsimile to: (860) 326-0529. If a test was obtained in the seventy-two (72) hours prior to arrival in Connecticut, or following arrival in Connecticut, and such Affected Traveler has not yet received his or her test results, such traveler shall remain in self-quarantine in Connecticut until a negative test result is submitted to the Commissioner. If the test result is positive and the traveler is asymptomatic, he or she shall self-isolate for ten (10) days from the date of the test; if symptomatic, he or she should seek medical assistance. Travelers who test positive for COVID-19 prior to traveling to Connecticut should delay such travel and consult with a medical professional. All Affected Travelers are required to complete the Travel Health Form.
Link to CT.gov Coronavirus website for more info:
https://portal.ct.gov/Coronavirus/Travel

 
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And now NJ is on it's own bad list. Actually if it improves any over the next 6 days it won't make the official list.

That happened this summer, too. People from outside of the state came in, rented AirBnB summer homes for a few weekends, had mass gathering parties and spiked the COVID numbers up for a few weeks until NJ & AirBnB canceled many of the upcoming rentals, enforced the Travel Advisory and brought the infection rate back down again.

Back then, if NJ's rate kept going up, NY & CT said they wouldn't add it to their own lists. Nor will either of the states add each other. They would try to help the other state bring down the positivity rate down however they can. These 3 states are too interlinked, with many people living in one state and working in another.

But, as COVID rates are on the rise everywhere, it is very possible that NJ, NY & CT may end up on other states travel advisories in the future. :upsidedow
 
If you are just as likely to encounter a Covid positive person in your own state at a trip to the store, why the need for quarantining those coming from elsewhere? Isn’t that just kind of stupid?


The goal of a travel restriction requiring one to quarantine is to try to control the SPREAD of the virus from coming IN from other states. NY, NJ & CT aren't the only ones requiring a 14 day quarantine. There are also about 17 other states. We just happen to have the only thread here on the DIS. I don't want people, somehow missing the info, to accidentally come in/come back and THEN find out they have to quarantine. :eek: Not only can it mess up plans, it can be an awfully expensive mistake to be handed a form on board a plane/train and told you will have to quarantine when you arrive, when you didn't know or remember about the quarantine, and then have to turn around or figure out how to pay to quarantine. And there are people who then can't go back to work immediately. I think, once I got over the initial shock, I'd just sit there and cry. :sad:

Some states, even with high infection rates, have travel restrictions and quarantining to try to stop their rate going HIGHER. It's hard enough to control the infection rate in one's state, let alone other people accidentally bringing it into an area with them. :( Here was a FULL LIST of 20 states with Coronavirus Travel Restrictions by State. It takes a bit of time to load, and then click on the tab "Show More" for descriptions. They stopped updating it as of Sept 30. It probably got too unwieldy to keep up on all the states with their different restrictions.

According to the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus percent positive map, mouse over it and you will see many states are at different rates. Some at 20%. :( HI has a "blanket travel restriction" in which anyone from anywhere has to quarantine when coming in. Doesn't matter what the infection rates are. New England has been basically able to stay low. NY, NJ & CT are between 1.2% - 2.5%. One time, CT was down to 0.3% with only 22 new cases. :faint: NY had been able to keep the infection rate at a low 1%-ish all summer, 🤞 due in large part because of the quarantine.

As students started coming here in the Fall, here is an example of COVID coming into the state and how quickly the infection grew before it got tamped down: 5 college students hold mass parties on campus right after the beginning of the fall semester, near the end of Aug. According to the Health Dept. who had tested everyone and has their names & addresses, some of them came from out of state, and should have been quarantining at that time, instead of partying. Within 5 days there were 500 cases on campus. Within another few days, the cases went up to 723 cases.

"Until that outbreak began, the whole county had only recorded 117 infections since the pandemic reached the upstate region in March." Oneonta didn't have a Coronavirus problem there before then. That county had some of the lowest infection rates in the whole state. When the students brought the infection there, 91 people in the city also got infected. Thank God, they weren't elderly or high risk. NY does so much "oversampling" of testing in hotspot areas, that the Health Dept knows down to the BLOCK where cases are. They have everyone's name & addresses who test positive.

Another time, there was a cluster of 3 people in Rensselaer county, near Albany, NY. It turns out that the cluster had just come back from Atlanta, Georgia, where the infection rate was quite high. The Contact Tracers had to track down and talk to everybody on the plane, and anyone they had long enough contact with too, and get them all tested. These 3 people happened to come in for testing on their own, a few days later, once symptoms appeared. By that time, it was hard to track all the visitors on the plane who had scattered to parts unknown. THAT was when filling out the travel forms on the plane, as to where one would be staying, became mandatory.

BTW, all those COVID tests that were done in Oneonta and all over NY, are free to New Yorkers. But they aren't FREE. NY is eating the cost for them. Even for the infections that people accidentally bring in. The state says it does more testing than any other state. It isn't getting funding from the federal government. Yet, the tests are given free so people don't have to choose whether their money should go for a test or for food. Amylevan, people don't have to pay for a COVID test here the way you have to in PA. I remember a fellow DISer trying to figure out how to get a COVID test in PA a few months back as her insurance wouldn't pay either. I think it was about $60. I don't know if she ever got one. :(

The NY Gov said the other day that COVID isn't going anywhere any time soon. He expects this to last about another year. That this is the new "normal" now for us in NY. That we should EXPECT there will continually be new clusters, some developing into hotspots. Yes, our infection rate will go up, due to fall & winter with more cases due to being indoors, kids back to school and visitors now allowed to come in from overseas, which is also seeing a rise in cases. The stages, if unable to be controlled are: Cluster --> Hotspot --> Community Spread.

HOW we respond to the clusters and hotspots is key. Contact tracers are sent in immediately to try to track & trace everyone the COVID positive person came into contact with for a long enough time period to become exposed. That includes all visitors who come in state. Free tests are given. If the positive people don't have or can't afford to isolate and quarantine, there are accommodations set aside for them. And they are given a COVID "Take Care Package." (In my opinion, it's missing chocolate. A LOT of chocolate. :p ) Their Contact Tracer is supposed to check in on them again in a few days to see how they are doing (and to make sure they are quarantining.)

NY had successfully tamped out the previous fires so far, before the hotspots turned into community spread. We currently have about 7-9 hotspots with partial shutdowns in zones. The zones and shutdowns are so the infection doesn't spread outward from the hotspot. It's the same principal of the travel restrictions, but in reverse. Try to control COVID coming IN from other states, and try to contain the COVID within the state from spreading outward. We are waiting for the test results of the next few days to see if we've got control of the current hotspots and can remove the shutdowns. So far, they seem to have stabilized. If any hotspot turns into community spread that is unable to be controlled, it has the potential to turn into a second wave here that may turn us into being an epicenter again, which we once were. :scared:

As much as we love having visitors, we don't want extra COVID accidentally hitching a ride in. :duck: That's why the quarantine.
 
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How does the quarantine requirement work? Do they greet you when getting off the plane and ask you questions, then get your information to message you later?
 
This is now a quickly evolving, fast changing situation.

NJ was added to other states travel restrictions: Massachusetts & New Hampshire a couple days ago.
Those state have tweaked their criteria and NJ NOW has been taken off. :teleport:

I'm checking now to see if NJ, along with CT have landed on other states travel restrictions lists, CT now has had it's positivity rate also go up. As stated in a previous post, this isn't just a low positivity rate thing. Some states, even with high infection rates, have travel restrictions and quarantining to try to stop their rate going HIGHER. Many hospitals are being stretched to their limit. It's hard enough to control the infection rate in one's state, let alone other people accidentally bringing it into an area with them. :(

The criteria many states with travel restrictions use: 10 percent positivity rate on a seven-day rolling average, or more than 10 new cases per 100,000 people over a seven-day rolling average, both Connecticut (11.2) and New Jersey (10.3) hit that new case threshold on Monday. New York is averaging seven new cases per 100,000 residents over the last week, but their positivity rates remain well below the 10 percent threshold.


43 states are now on New York's quarantine list as the infection rates are going up nationwide. :( The new states have not been identified yet. So, no list of the updated states yet.

New York will not add New Jersey and Connecticut to its quarantine list; It has repeatedly said that would be impractical. Too many people live in onestate and work in another. However, it is now being urged to avoid all non-essential tri-state travel.

I'd say, basically that is going to be urged for all 43 states, too.
 
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Washington DC not on the list. Nor will it ever be, i suspect.

If you scroll back through this thread, Washington DC has already been on and off the list a few times. It has to do with the district's COVID positivity rate of having a 10 percent positivity rate on a seven-day rolling average, or more than 10 new cases per 100,000 people over a seven-day rolling average.

Travelers coming in on a train to NY will be given a NY form on the train and collected at the end station. NJ has an online form to fill out. CT has their own form. Check post 2-4 of this thread for the individual state's travel restrictions for more info.

Here is the current guidelines by the CDC for traveling. They also have new guidelines for being indoors with other people. Eating and being indoors, in close proximity, has an 80% greater risk of getting COVID-19, as the air and ventilation does not disperse the tiny COVID particles that can linger in the air and build up, versus over eating and being outdoors with others, socially distanced over 6 ft., as the breeze/wind naturally disperses COVID particles. It has to do with INFECTIOUS LOAD - how much COVID particles one is exposed to.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/travel-during-covid19.html

COVID-19 guidelines indoors -there are several.
 
Here is the most updated list of travel restrictions, state by state, compiled by CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/us-state-travel-restrictions-covid-19/index.html

However, generally, whatever state you are in, do a Google search for the state's government website for the state you are intending to visit (ends with .gov) plus "COVID travel restrictions" to see the most updated restrictions for that state.

We really don't know when a state might start having a travel restriction list as their hospitals become overwhelmed. :(

ALSO NOTE: A whole state might not have a COVID travel restriction, but some counties within a state might have travel restrictions.

So the Google search will look like:

state name.gov Covid travel restrictions
 
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:teacher: A little FYI: Hawaii changed their travel restriction a few days ago. Previously they required a 14-Day travel restriction for everyone coming in.

NOW for Hawaii:
Travelers who arrive with an FDA-approved nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) taken no earlier than 72 hours before their flight, performed using a nasal swab, and can show proof of negative test results from a CLIA certified laboratory can avoid the state's 14-day quarantine. This includes anyone 5 or older. The State of Hawaii will ONLY accept test results from TRUSTED TESTING AND TRAVEL PARTNERS. Please see list at https://hawaiicovid19.com/travel-partners/ Travelers also will have their temperatures checked upon arrival and must fill out the Safe Travels travel and health form.

Check here for Hawaii details.
 

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