Mass shooting in Toronto?

[ronandannette]

Gangs and organized crime are two different beasts. Toronto Police has an Organized Crime Unit and a Guns and Gang task force.

ETA There is a lot of crime in community housing here. No doubt about it. Gangs flourish there.

Your husband has a huge responsibility and opportunity to make things better - he has my best wishes.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Your husband has a huge responsibility and opportunity to make things better - he has my best wishes.

He's the hardest worker I've ever met.

Also, gangs can be very organized however when you are talking about organized crime by mafia for example, it has entirely different roots.

 

[ronandannette]

He's the hardest worker I've ever met.

Also, gangs can be very organized however when you are talking about organized crime by mafia for example, it has entirely different roots.

I deeply admire anyone who chooses to spend themselves on something that actually makes a difference. Lots of us have "important" jobs but we're relatively trivial in the big picture.

As for your other comment, I'm sure you're right. I'd just be making it up if I said anything else; I've got no insight into that sort of thing beyond what I read in the papers.

 

[RC Fan]

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/gun-used...in-saskatoon-a-few-years-ago-source-1.4027018

From this, it seems likely he had the gun illegally, but what about the person whose house it was stolen from? If they knew the serial number, would that mean it was registered? How is it tracked?

All legally owned handguns in Canada are registered. The police would know from who the gun was stolen.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

It's much easier for criminals to get their hands on guns originating in the US than originating in Canada. Why do you think this guy wouldn't have been able to get a gun if it wasn't for his brother? He lived in community housing in a high crime area. He had a long history with the police yet unfortunately no criminal record.

Handguns, maybe since they’re relatively uncommon in Canada. “Guns”, probably not. 22% of Canadian homes report having guns. Probably easier to steal one in Canada than to steal one in the US and THEN smuggle it across the border.

 

[kimblebee]

Handguns, maybe since they’re relatively uncommon in Canada. “Guns”, probably not. 22% of Canadian homes report having guns. Probably easier to steal one in Canada than to steal one in the US and THEN smuggle it across the border.

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not worth it..

 

[luvsJack]

Why do I get the feeling that Y'ALL have a shooting and its OUR fault????

 

[declansdad]

Why do I get the feeling that Y'ALL have a shooting and its OUR fault????

What??

 

[luvsJack]

What??

Just scanning through the thread and it seems like everyone is saying the gun(s) had to come from the US and when someone pointed out other ways of obtaining a gun it seemed to go back to it had to come from the US. I mean not trying to take it personal or anything, just an observation.

Mass killings are a world wide problem, it seems. Honestly, when will we, as a society, stop looking at the tool used and start looking at the reasons behind it.

Honestly, whether it happens in the US, Canada, Russia, China or some tiny island no one has heard of, its a tragedy and gut wrenching to the citizens when it happens. I feel for all of you. My thoughts, prayers are with you, whether anyone wants them or not.

 

[kdonnel]

Just scanning through the thread and it seems like everyone is saying the gun(s) had to come from the US and when someone pointed out other ways of obtaining a gun it seemed to go back to it had to come from the US.

Probably because the ATF has a history of allowing guns to be sold to straw purchasers and trying to follow the guns across the US border to Mexico. It is not a stretch to think that similar programs exist on the northern border.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Some updates and further questions...

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...d-of-possessing-historic-drug-firearm-arsenal

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/07/26/faisal-hussain-heavily-armed-danforth-shooting-spree-sources/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/world/americas/islamic-state-mental-health.html

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Probably because the ATF has a history of allowing guns to be sold to straw purchasers and trying to follow the guns across the US border to Mexico. It is not a stretch to think that similar programs exist on the northern border.

In theory, yes. But, I can’t imagine what the incentive would be.

 

[bcla]

Some updates and further questions...

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...d-of-possessing-historic-drug-firearm-arsenal

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/07/26/faisal-hussain-heavily-armed-danforth-shooting-spree-sources/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/world/americas/islamic-state-mental-health.html

I don't get the part of one of the articles talking about having training because he could reload on the move. I'm not really a firearms person, but I have gone target shooting with friends, including the use of pretty standard semi-automatic handguns. It's actually pretty easy one a magazine is emptied. The slide will remain open with an empty magazine, it's really easy to depress the magazine release (usually with the thumb), the magazine drops, a new one is inserted, and the thumb is used to drop the slide release/lock. Not that I would go do it, but I'm pretty sure someone could hand me one (unloaded of course) and I could demonstrate how to do it.

The big thing seems to be that he's actually practiced shooting and seemed to at least aim.

 

[olliesmom]

Just scanning through the thread and it seems like everyone is saying the gun(s) had to come from the US and when someone pointed out other ways of obtaining a gun it seemed to go back to it had to come from the US. I mean not trying to take it personal or anything, just an observation.

Mass killings are a world wide problem, it seems. Honestly, when will we, as a society, stop looking at the tool used and start looking at the reasons behind it.

Honestly, whether it happens in the US, Canada, Russia, China or some tiny island no one has heard of, its a tragedy and gut wrenching to the citizens when it happens. I feel for all of you. My thoughts, prayers are with you, whether anyone wants them or not.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-faisal-hussain-shooting-greektown-1.4760344

In this case, it appears the gun did come from the US.

No country exists in a vacuum and I think it is reasonable to acknowledge that the laws and policies in different countries (especially if they are neighbours) will impact the other. Given that, I also think it's fair that citizens in each country have an opinion on the other's laws and policies when they can end up hitting so close to home.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

I deeply admire anyone who chooses to spend themselves on something that actually makes a difference. Lots of us have "important" jobs but we're relatively trivial in the big picture.

As for your other comment, I'm sure you're right. I'd just be making it up if I said anything else; I've got no insight into that sort of thing beyond what I read in the papers.

The papers contradict themselves on an hourly basis (as shown by a poster on this thread who is desperately linking contradictory articles). Unless it's a statement issued from the Toronto Police you'd be wise to take all you are reading on this case with a grain of salt.

 

[kdonnel]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-faisal-hussain-shooting-greektown-1.4760344

In this case, it appears the gun did come from the US.

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...d-of-possessing-historic-drug-firearm-arsenal

The firearm used in Sunday’s attack was stolen from a legitimate Canadian owner — and not an American weapon as previously reported, sources told the Sun.

 

[olliesmom]

https://torontosun.com/news/nationa...d-of-possessing-historic-drug-firearm-arsenal

I have no skin in this game, but the Toronto Sun isn't considered to be the most credible local news source. CBC and CTV (both fairly reliable IMO) both seem to be reporting that the gun originated in the US. I'm not sure what the Sun's sources are that are referenced above but I am hesitant to rely on their reporting.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The papers contradict themselves on an hourly basis (as shown by a poster on this thread who is desperately linking contradictory articles). Unless it's a statement issued from the Toronto Police you'd be wise to take all you are reading on this case with a grain of salt.

If you're referring to me, I'm posting general interest articles. Nobody's forcing anyone to read them. There may be contradictory information in them, sure, because facts haven't been completely released yet - and there appears to have been some leaks of information that perhaps don't tell the whole story yet. But that's no different than some others here desperately posting information as facts when the facts haven't been laid out yet by authorities actually working the case. People have a right to know what's going on and can make up their own minds about things. No harm, no foul.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I have no skin in this game, but the Toronto Sun isn't considered to be the most credible local news source. CBC and CTV (both fairly reliable IMO) both seem to be reporting that the gun originated in the US. I'm not sure what the Sun's sources are that are referenced above but I am hesitant to rely on their reporting.

This was from CTV. (As listed in post #133 here.) And the Sun article referenced that CTV said it.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/self-inf...d-suspected-danforth-shooter-source-1.4027018

 

[luvsJack]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-faisal-hussain-shooting-greektown-1.4760344

In this case, it appears the gun did come from the US.

No country exists in a vacuum and I think it is reasonable to acknowledge that the laws and policies in different countries (especially if they are neighbours) will impact the other. Given that, I also think it's fair that citizens in each country have an opinion on the other's laws and policies when they can end up hitting so close to home.

I don't think I ever said that no one should have an opinion on another country's laws and policies.

But does it matter where the gun came from? Does it change the outcome? If he couldn't have gotten a gun and instead used a car to mow them down--would they be less dead? Its not the tool, its the act of killing other people that we need to concern ourselves about.