Third US case of coronavirus confirmed in OC

Just another bit of 'musing'....at one point in time schools told parents to keep kids home at the least sign of a communicable disease. But there came a time (after they changed the school attendance money criteria) that we were actually encouraged to bring our kids in sick for roll call then take them right home. The school no longer got their daily rate if a child was out sick.
I've been an elementary school teacher for 20 years and have worked at several different schools, and have never seen or heard of a school encouraging parents to bring sick kids in. Never.
In my youngest's large public school in southern California, I was told to do my best to always bring my child in for the first 10 minutes of class. They understood that if she was barfing, I wasn't going to do that, but they did want fever/phlegm kids in for roll call. I served on the school site council, so I think they (the principal and the teacher) told me at one of the meetings vs. making a general request to the parents at large.

That was nearly 20 years ago, so hopefully things have changed since then.

It's not too different than working in fast food. We signed a statement saying that we would never show up to work ill, but boy did the management get mad if we ever called out sick!
 
My asthma has been in remission for more than two decades except when I get sick with certain illnesses. Because of that, I usually don't have a rescue inhaler. After I got the flu last month my doctor had to prescribe a rescue inhaler for me because my chest was getting tight. I still have to use it before bed two weeks later.
 
My asthma has been in remission for more than two decades except when I get sick with certain illnesses.
Mine’s not in remission, exactly. But it’s very well controlled. It’s like I’m almost not asthmatic. But like you, when I get sick I always make the joke that my asthma “goes along for the ride ;-)”
 
My asthma has been in remission for more than two decades except when I get sick with certain illnesses. Because of that, I usually don't have a rescue inhaler. After I got the flu last month my doctor had to prescribe a rescue inhaler for me because my chest was getting tight. I still have to use it before bed two weeks later.
Mine’s not in remission, exactly. But it’s very well controlled. It’s like I’m almost not asthmatic. But like you, when I get sick I always make the joke that my asthma “goes along for the ride ;-)”
Mine had been "in remission" for about 10 years, until last fall, and my primary said "You have allergies"... Followed his med route for that for 10 days, and thought I was dying. Went to Urgent Care where I got a great ER doc, who took one look and said "Have you been using your rescue inhaler?" No allergies, massive, prolonged asthma attack like I have never had before. Two hours of breathing treatments, steroid shots, pills inhaled steroids, and new med, I was like new! Because of my age, I am now on all sorts of new meds to control it. And all new BP meds and I can breathe again! They explained after so long, asthma can actually start to look and sound different than what I had previously experienced.
 
They explained after so long, asthma can actually start to look and sound different than what I had previously experienced.

I had trouble figuring it out at first too. When I was younger I knew I was having problems because I wheezed. Now, my chest gets tight even though I can still breathe.
 
Just to put things in perspective: I just read an interesting article in The NY Times about the desperate lack of supplies and hospital beds in Wuhan, China, the center of the outbreak. I wonder if the fact that this virus appears so deadly could partially be influenced by our getting said percentage from simply dividing the number of fatalities (most of which were living in the dramatically medically underserved Wuhan) divided by the number of those infected (likewise mostly living in Wuhan). Epidemiologically viewed, this is of course the proper way to do it, but if we look at the context, we may find that those numbers and our subsequent assessment for our risk of dying from this may be quite misleading. If the sample from which we obtain our assessment of how deadly this virus is comes from an area with little medical resources, there is a good chance that the numbers we look at are heavily skewed. Look, for another example, at the number of people dying from measles in some African communities vs those dying from it who live in industrialized countries and who choose to not vaccinate but have access to proper medical care if infected. Even though some of them will experience deadly or disabling complications, the number of those who do is relatively low.

All of that said, I hope we can contain this virus and won’t have to find out what a comparable percentage in areas in which those who are infected receive prompt, comprehensive medical care would look like. My thoughts go out to those infected, wherever they may be, and their families.

I’m not trying to downplay the danger of pandemics at a time of frequent travels, ongoing (and in some parts of the world increasing) science-illiteracy, overuse of antibiotics (in this case less relevant, since this is a virus, not a bacterium, but certainly a factor in the danger of potential future pandemics resulting from multiple-medication-resistent bacteria), and poverty in times of tendencies towards cutthroat, corporate, for-profit medical and pharmaceutical industries’ leaving more and more people without adequate care (and thus jeopardizing all of us). The next deadly virus or bacterial threat is probably just around the corner, but in this case it seems that the frantic hysteria found in some media outlets may be just a tad premature. I hope the following link to the above mentioned NY Times article (“Coronavirus Pummels Wuhan, a City short of Supplies and Overwhelmed” by Amy Qin, who is currently in Wuhan) works:

Amy Qin’s article
 
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Wuhan is not some Chinese backwater city. It is basically the Chicago or Minneapolis of China. Huazhong University located in Wuhan is one of the top medical schools in the country and has the top public health program in the country. They’re short of supplies and medical staff because 20% of the people who get this virus need hospitalization and the government has cut the whole province off from the rest of the country.
 
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I hadn’t heard that asthma increases susceptibility. I’m asthmatic but it’s well controlled. It’ll be hard to talk me out of visiting the park on Sundays. Fortunately, I’m not sick and have no signs or symptoms of being so.

It's not that it makes you more susceptible, it's that if you DO get flu, asthma increases your chances of respiratory complications.
 
Wuhan is not some Chinese backwater city. It is basically the Chicago or Minneapolis of China. Huazhong University located in Wuhan is one of the top medical schools in the country and has the top public health program in the country. There short of supplies and medical staff because 20% of the people who get this virus need hospitalization and the government has cut the whole province off from the rest of the country.
Regardless of the reason for the shortage, don’t you agree that using such a heavily skewed sample (in absence of more meaningful data) for concocting a mortality rate that makes this virus appear far more dangerous than the flu may be misleading?

Full disclosure: My background is NOT in medicine or public health but in statistics and philosophy of science. Based on that expertise, it seems to me that the lack of proper medical care for many in the area in which most of the data originates is a huge confound, which means that any statements as to the mortality rate of this virus ought to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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Regardless of the reason for the shortage, don’t you agree that using such a heavily skewed sample (in absence of more meaningful data) for concocting a mortality rate that makes this virus appear far more dangerous than the flu may be misleading?
No. Wuhan is the real world example of what will happen if this virus really breaks out of Hubei. An infection rate anywhere near the current one in Wuhan would overwhelm the healthcare infrastructure in any US city. 20% of the people who get it require hospitalization. We don't have the beds, doctors, nurses and other staff needed to deal with it. We, also, don't have the stockpiles of antivirals and HIV cocktail drugs that will be needed to treat people with the virus.

It would wipe out the healthcare systems of most African countries.
 
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I'm glad it hasn't happened in your schools. But it did happen to me in our small, rural school. I was asked if I could bring my son in for attendance and then take him home (I didn't). And I wasn't the only parent this happened to.
I can attest that this use to happen quite regularly in California schools once they changed the funding methodology to be kids in seats. Not only did I face it personally, as a school auditor, eventually the state caught on to this and asked us to inquire about this practice. We were instructed to inform school districts that they could not claim attendance credit for kids just showing their face. But there is not an actual rule that says the child has to be present for a set amount of time.
I've also had a school ask me to send my child to school with ring worm. (didn't happen)
And now schools tell parents that California does not have a "No nit" policy, so if your child has signs of lice, but no visible live lice they need to come to school. (I now work for a school district and this is common practice.)
 
I can attest that this use to happen quite regularly in California schools once they changed the funding methodology to be kids in seats. Not only did I face it personally, as a school auditor, eventually the state caught on to this and asked us to inquire about this practice. We were instructed to inform school districts that they could not claim attendance credit for kids just showing their face. But there is not an actual rule that says the child has to be present for a set amount of time.
I've also had a school ask me to send my child to school with ring worm. (didn't happen)
And now schools tell parents that California does not have a "No nit" policy, so if your child has signs of lice, but no visible live lice they need to come to school. (I now work for a school district and this is common practice.)


Yep. California school for me, too. And my sons are in their 30s so it's been going on quite some time! (if it's still going on)
 
Is anyone else following the coronavirus updates and getting very concerned? My daughter's high school band is set to play in Disneyland over spring break, and the rest of us bought tickets to go as well. I am thinking the last place I want to be as this virus is taking hold is in a huge crowd with travelers from all over. Haven't we already dealt with a few measles outbreaks at Disneyland? And that is with most of the population being vaccinated. For the first time in my life, I am thinking I don't want to go to Disneyland. My daughter is still adamant on going (it really is a once in a lifetime thing to play at Disneyland). I guess I will keep watching the news and make a decision as we get closer. I am just curious if anyone else is hesitating to go or changing plans.
 
I'd be more concerned with getting a boarding group for rise! Hahaha
We are here now, no worries. This is our last day and I don't want to go home to cold Boston - I would totally risk Corona for sunshine and warmth and Disney! Just go on your trip!
 
Wash your hands frequently and well, and generally be in good health (eat well, exercise, etc.) This is the best prevention you can do - even the CDC is saying this.
 
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You will be at greater risk of getting struck by lightning at Disney than getting coronavirus. If you’re really worried, ensure you have all vaccinations up to date including the latest flu shot, and ensure you wash your hands properly. That’s honestly it.
 
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If you are otherwise healthy, Covid-19 is really not much of a threat. You are unlikely to catch it at Disney anyway vs something like flu or noro but if you did, unless you have underlying conditions, you’d likely get less sick than if you caught influenza.
 
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I have no qualms about going to Disneyland. I just went Tuesday. Going back Sunday.

I did catch a NASTY cold there about a month ago. Since then, I'm militant about using wet ones after EVERY ride where I touch any handles. I am also being more conscious about touching my face and really trying not to.

Coronavirus is still not an issue in CA at all. If it becomes an issue and there is community transmission, I may change my tune and avoid Disneyland for awhile.
 

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