Brian Noble
Gratefully in Recovery
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2004
They barely even bother with exchange guests. I finally got a “stop by the body snatcher for a free gift” text on my stay last month. That was the first time out of a dozen or more.
Simple, elegant, efficient.A second change would simply require members to inform DVC that a reservation is a rental. The POS documents point out that any rentals are supposed to be done with written contracts that contain provisions informing the lessee that the lessee will be subject to all the DVC rules applicable to occupying a room or using recreational facilities. What DVC could potentially do is adopt a new rule that simply says a member needs to provide a copy of the rental agreement for any reservation done as a rental so it can assure that required terms exist informing the renter about being subjected to any occupancy rules, and if the member fails to provide that rental agreement, and DVC learns of that failure, the reservation will be cancelled.
A second change would simply require members to inform DVC that a reservation is a rental. The POS documents point out that any rentals are supposed to be done with written contracts that contain provisions informing the lessee that the lessee will be subject to all the DVC rules applicable to occupying a room or using recreational facilities. What DVC could potentially do is adopt a new rule that simply says a member needs to provide a copy of the rental agreement for any reservation done as a rental so it can assure that required terms exist informing the renter about being subjected to any occupancy rules, and if the member fails to provide that rental agreement, and DVC learns of that failure, the reservation will be cancelled.
This sounds like extra work for MS (and/or maybe front desk personnel) for which they would not be compensated*.Simple, elegant, efficient.
I'm not sure I understand you. They are hourly workers, not salaried. They get paid to be there for 8 hours, doing whatever their job description entails. When McDonalds brings back the McRib sandwich every so often, the staff don't get a raise, they just make burgers AND McRibs...This sounds like extra work for MS (and/or maybe front desk personnel) for which they would not be compensated*.
What does accounts frozen mean? They aren't allowed to use the weeks they own and pay maintenance fees on?But I can tell you how Wyndham* and Bluegreen have done it. They simply decided that Owner X had a pattern of use that was indicative of commercial activity, and told them to stop doing what they were doing. Those who didn't saw their accounts frozen.
Yes, may not be an issue for individual CMs. However, DVCMC has to pay them and DVCMC does NOT get extra $$ for doing more things. If the extra time and monitoring something causes DVCMC to have to hire more CMs, that will be a problem for them.I'm not sure I understand you. They are hourly workers, not salaried. They get paid to be there for 8 hours, doing whatever their job description entails. When McDonalds brings back the McRib sandwich every so often, the staff don't get a raise, they just make burgers AND McRibs...
Regardless, the contract would need to be submitted to MS when it is signed, not presented on arrival, so that would be a task for MS, not front desk.
In some cases, yes. The rationale being the owner was in violation of their contractual agreement. In other cases it just means “can’t send a guest.”What does accounts frozen mean? They aren't allowed to use the weeks they own and pay maintenance fees on?
Maybe they rent cars. lolHere is one way they can identify when points are being rented by a commercial entity. A Boardwalk contract for 300 points was recorded today with the purchaser by the name ABC Rentals. I am not giving the exact name but it's 3 letters then Rentals.
Since October of 2023 they purchased 9 contracts.
Here is one way they can identify when points are being rented by a commercial entity. A Boardwalk contract for 300 points was recorded today with the purchaser by the name ABC Rentals. I am not giving the exact name but it's 3 letters then Rentals.
Since October of 2023 they purchased 9 contracts.
Not doing anything to this owner tells me they do not care if you rent.See, DVC has access to everything it needs to evaluate each membership and make a determination of whether or not they believe it is in violation.
There really is no need for them to take any extra steps that impact owners who are not renting.
It comes down to DVC. simply enforcing the rules it has and IMO, if they do that, then it will certainly change the renting business for commercial companies.
Not doing anything to this owner tells me they do not care if you rent.
I would assume... Company retreat, or gifts for employee of the month, etc.Now I’m pondering why Disney originally made the decision that corporations would be permitted to purchase DVC points, as opposed to restricting ownership to individuals.
Some owners create LLCs to hold property in the family - not all corporations are commercial operations.Now I’m pondering why Disney originally made the decision that corporations would be permitted to purchase DVC points, as opposed to restricting ownership to individuals.
The only problem I can see with that stipulation would be their definition of "members family,"' and how they'd enforce it. In my case, I have very few blood relatives left, mostly 2nd cousins, and they aren't Disney fans. I do take close friends, which are for all practical purposes ARE my family. That is not to say that I have never rented out my points, but in 30+ years of ownership, I have only actually rented out some of my points in June of last year on a thread on our Rental board. Other than that everyone who has used my DVC has been close friends, who will inherit all my possessions and property when I eventually leave this earthly realm (hopefully I will outlive my DVC membership, though.) Even my actual blood relatives do not share my last name.or just frequent reservations for persons other than the member and the members family,
Now I’m pondering why Disney originally made the decision that corporations would be permitted to purchase DVC points, as opposed to restricting ownership to individuals.
Some owners create LLCs to hold property in the family - not all corporations are commercial operations.
So many questions— are the all BWV? How does their purchase price compare to median purchase price? Are they all from the same broker (or couple of brokers)?Here is one way they can identify when points are being rented by a commercial entity. A Boardwalk contract for 300 points was recorded today with the purchaser by the name ABC Rentals. I am not giving the exact name but it's 3 letters then Rentals.
Since October of 2023 they purchased 9 contracts.
They were not all BWV.So many questions— are the all BWV? How does their purchase price compare to median purchase price? Are they all from the same broker (or couple of brokers)?
I think Disney would like to stop commercial rentals from undercutting their deluxe resort (and frankly even moderate resort) revenue, BUT I suspect that some of the big brokers being willing to buy and rent out massive contracts is helping Disney keep prices close to $100 without spending any money on ROFR.