Tutto Gusto - no longer a relaxing adult wine bar

[DisneyWishes14]

I'm not aware of a formal list, though I'm sure some blogger or travel writer has one out there somewhere. It's not many at all

I know of
Trader Sam's after a certain hour, 8:00 PM I think
Jelly Rolls
Abracadabra, again may only be after a certain hour
Atlantic Dance Hall


If you want to include restaurants then it would also be Victoria and Albert's

Yes, for Trader Sam's, the time cut-off for guests under 21 is 8 pm. AbradadaBar doesn't have an age limit.

 

[AngiTN]

Yes, for Trader Sam's, the time cut-off for guests under 21 is 8 pm. AbradadaBar doesn't have an age limit.

Thanks. I wasn't certain on Abracadabra. I thought I'd read about one there somewhere but maybe it was thought they'd have one but when it opened, they didn't.

 

[DrunkJam]

I hate this kind of post. I take my kids to restaurants. I pray they will behave. I have removed one or other of them if they don't. I interact with them, don't let them run around, get anxious if they are even slightly over chatty. But I am sick of hearing how awful it is to share dining space with children.

 

[focusondisney]

I agree with others, there is nothing Disney can do about it, it's up to the parents to discipline their kids. I'm of the age where disciplining a kid was not saying to them "now Johnny let's talk about why you are misbehaving" and more of "you know how to behave don't make me take you to the bathroom". My kid once got up in a restaurant and put himself in the corner. I was with my Mama at the time and we both just looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders since neither one of us had seen him do anything wrong. Turns out he was thinking of doing something wrong and was pretty sure he wasn't going to be able to resist so he just went ahead and punished himself. He was about 3 years old. Of course, I did not leave him in the corner, as soon as he got up and walked over and stood I went and got him. Evidently whatever he was thinking about doing wasn't bathroom worthy since he didn't take himself there.

Oh my gosh, that is so cute!

 

[Wubar]

As I like to say...WELL behaved children are welcome everywhere

I would like to add, well behaved adults are welcomed everywhere as well. I've seen plenty of atrocious behavior from adults from time to time, and frankly, seeing the terrible behavior from entitled adults is worse. At least the kids might be lacking in maturity and still could grow out of it (or perhaps their parents could start paying more attention to them in efforts to curb any inappropriate behaviors).

What excuse do the misbehaving adults have? "Because I'm an adult, and I can do what I want!"??? I don't think so. Adults are capable of ruining an experience just as much as children.

What if Disney set up "Rules of proper behavior"? Sounds awesome. But Disney isn't going to enforce what "proper parenting" should be, as much as they enforce other rule violations (smoking, line cutting, etc). Unless it is something egregious, they would rather wait for someone to complain about an issue and then throw money or Fastpasses at them to appease them. Retroactive, not proactive approach.

 

[CarolynU]

The last time that I ate in California Grill was a few years back. It was my son and daughter in laws first wedding anniversary. We had got all dressed up in nice dresses, and suits and then entered what I can best be described as a zoo.
We felt totally out of place with the majority dress wise as theme park casual was the norm and there were loads of kids running around possibly to see the fireworks.
The child on the next table to us was actually standing on the table! Not in an effort to see the fireworks as by that time they had finished, but just because she wanted to! Her mother did nothing. When she wasn't yelling from the table she was running around knocking into our chairs. Later on when the place had quietened down our server apologised, and said that his job was totally different to the job that he once had years back.
I felt so sad that this anniversary was not what I had hoped that it would be, and no matter how nice the food would never return.

 

[ElizabethB]

Very sorry to hear about this, OP. The WDW bars have sometimes been the only sanctuary left for adults. We've enjoyed an expensive glass of wine and tapa-style eats at Tutto's bar on more than one occasion. Very sorry to hear it seems to be devolving into the same miserable eating experience that most of the signature restaurants have become.

We always book late reservations -- often 9 pm or later. That used to work sometimes. But, we're finding that parents are often so selfish and rude that they think nothing of bringing 5 children under 3 into Jiko and being seated -- at 10 pm with toddlers -- in the Jiko wine room. The toddlers were somersaulting across the wine room. The Jiko manager did absolutely nothing. He only intervened when the kids started hanging from the beads that line the windows. That was our last dinner at Jiko. Frankly, the only truly adult place left anymore is V&A. This is one reason we've been spending out vacations elsewhere these days.

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

There's a reason I go offsite. Honestly, it's worse at Disney then at the restaurants just outside the "magic" I have no idea why, but....

That said if a host/hostess takes me towards a table where I see out of control kids I won't allow myself to be seated there and if the brats show up afterwards or I missed them I will ask to be moved (LOUDLY so the idiot parents know that someone isn't in love with darling). I won't sit at a table with out of control kids ruining my meal in the real world, why should I pay MORE to do that at Disney?

 

[DisneyWishes14]

I hate this kind of post. I take my kids to restaurants. I pray they will behave. I have removed one or other of them if they don't. I interact with them, don't let them run around, get anxious if they are even slightly over chatty. But I am sick of hearing how awful it is to share dining space with children.

As PP's have noted, parents and children like this give the rest of us a bad rap. It doesn't deter me from bringing DS10 anywhere we are allowed to go (Trader Sam's, Nomad, etc.). He is super well-behaved and takes pride in it. Hopefully we can make people see not ALL children and parents behave this way. When we first went to Monsieur Paul, DS was 5 and he was the only child in there. We were seated at a table right next to an older couple from NJ who struck up a conversation with us because they were so impressed at how well-mannered DS5 was (I was so proud!). They mentioned that was their third evening eating at MP because it was the only quiet restaurant they had been able to find in WDW!

 

[Caseheidi]

Parents ignoring their children in a restaurant is one of my pet peeves. I have an 8 yr old, and she has always understood that meal time is a time to sit with the family and interact. I cannot tell you how many games of I Spy we have played in restaurants. And once that is exhausted, we move on to “I am thinking about...” and “Which do you like better...”. I just strongly feel that when you have a family meal, the family should all interact. This is how children learn to have good conversation skills. And this is how parents develop strong lasting relationships with their kids. The dinner table is where we check in with each other and have great discussions.

Okay, I need to get off my soap box, but I have very strong opinions on the importance of family meals and the positive difference it makes in children’s lives, and when parents ignore their kids or allow electronics to entertain them it upsets me.

 

[DrunkJam]

As PP's have noted, parents and children like this give the rest of us a bad rap. It doesn't deter me from bringing DS10 anywhere we are allowed to go (Trader Sam's, Nomad, etc.). He is super well-behaved and takes pride in it. Hopefully we can make people see not ALL children and parents behave this way. When we first went to Monsieur Paul, DS was 5 and he was the only child in there. We were seated at a table right next to an older couple from NJ who struck up a conversation with us because they were so impressed at how well-mannered DS5 was (I was so proud!). They mentioned that was there third evening eating at MP because it was the only quiet restaurant they had been able to find in WDW!

We have reservations at MP! (We are two adults a four year old and an 11 yr old.) We are doing a load of character meals for the kids, but we are also doing MP, Tiffins, CG brunch, for us, but the kids are expected to behave well. Of course they can chat, and whatever. As I say, I have removed my children from restaurants if necessary (the older one has ASD so, if he is overwhelmed then there is no coming back from it) and I am aware of other diners. I just am sad to see people so down on kids!

 

[skittles67]

I don't blame the kids, I blame the parents. We have 4 children (3 grown and one 11 yr old). We have always taken them everywhere with us. They knew how to behave because it was taught at home. Our last Disney trip we took our DD to California Grill, and the server complimented us on her manners and how well behaved she was. She was raised to say please, thank you, and to be respectful of others. Unfortunately, I see bad behavior more and more. Not just in restaurants, but in grocery and retail stores. It is sad, the way some of these children are growing up with no guidance or support.

 

[2vets]

We have reservations at MP! (We are two adults a four year old and an 11 yr old.) We are doing a load of character meals for the kids, but we are also doing MP, Tiffins, CG brunch, for us, but the kids are expected to behave well. Of course they can chat, and whatever. As I say, I have removed my children from restaurants if necessary (the older one has ASD so, if he is overwhelmed then there is no coming back from it) and I am aware of other diners. I just am sad to see people so down on kids!

I hate this kind of post. I take my kids to restaurants. I pray they will behave. I have removed one or other of them if they don't. I interact with them, don't let them run around, get anxious if they are even slightly over chatty. But I am sick of hearing how awful it is to share dining space with children.

Just wanted to say one thing... (Note - I am child-free due to cancer treatments as a young adult.) Kids are still learning what's appropriate. I think most people do understand that. It's like a baby screaming on a plane - they don't know how to equalize yet and still need to learn...it's inappropriate for others not to be patient - if someone isn't, then they have an issue. I don't think most child-free adults are down on kids or think that sharing dining space with children is awful - I certainly doubt I'd have an issue with yours! Does sound like this was a very particular situation that was a bit...extreme, though . I suspect most responsible parents would also take issue with kids running and screaming through a wine bar or somersaulting through/hanging from beaded window coverings at Jikos. I do see more prominent bad behavior at Disney than most other places we travel, but it's still the exception. And it's worth noting, I have seen plenty of bad behavior from people of all ages - on our last visit, we saw two dads get into a stroller fight - that was our lasting memory of bad behavior!

That said, I can see the point of wanting a few places on-site that are child-free (other than V&As).

 

[jillt2ph]

I would love to see all restaurants - Disney and elsewhere! - post signs saying headphones are required for electronic devices. My teenaged nephew and niece know that if they want to watch something on their phone while at my house they must use headphones!

 

[shh]

The one poster who said they ask to be seated elsewhere nailed it. I used to sit there and fume or glare at the other table and let it ruin my night when things like this happened.

I finally got fed up (no pun intended!) and decided to stop expecting staff to look out for us or care about our experience. They rarely do. I would take control of the problem upfront. It made a big difference.

Now, if a hostess leads me to a table next to really loud or out of control people (kids or adults!), I thank her/him, but decline it. I'm always very polite and say with a friendly smile that we don't mind waiting for the next opening, but we'll need a different table.

I've had a few try to talk me out of it by saying there will be a wait, but I never had anyone outright refuse. Some get annoyed when I stick to my guns - like I was the problem customer. LOL.

If the group arrives after us, it's harder, as I feel bad for our server who has started taking care of us. So I'll ask if they have any other open tables in a different section. If not and the situation isn't too bad, I'll try to bear it. But if it is, I have no problem asking to be moved.

DH and I are easygoing,and rarely complain. We always treat staff respectfully and tip 20-25%. We should be the valued customers the restaurant caters to and rewards. Yet too often, they reward the disruptive folks ruining the meal for other guests. (Usually the same ones who leave the server a lousy tip and a messy table, as well.)

It feels great to take control. Let them scream their heads off or jump off chairs & tables. I'll either be in another room or on my way to a different restaurant.

 

[Keels]

I'm curious to see how Disney approaches bars/lounges going forward.

For me - as a frequent bar-goer that doesn't have kids - it starts to get annoying when I can't find a seat at a lounge because they're being taken up by people sitting there that aren't ordering drinks or food, but largely using the space as a place for their family to sit inside in the A/C while they wait for x-amount of time, or use the indoor spots to bring in food from a QS location elsewhere.

BaseLine Taphouse is the newest bar to open up and it has INCREDIBLY limited seating inside (as well as incredibly limited food/non-alcohol offerings) ... it truly is more of a "belly up to the bar"-type experience - with the majority of the seating outside. My first thought was that this was done by Disney as a way to discourage families, for better or for worse.

As far as OP goes - I had a similar experience at Tutto Gusto last week. I mentioned it to both my server AND the manager - but it was obvious that the "rules of Disney" had their hands tied. Our bottle of wine was comped, which was the least they could do, but I still sent an email to Guest Relations - both to complain and to thank the server and manager for attempting to do what they could in their power to make the situation better.

 

[CinderDuffy]

Parents ignoring their children in a restaurant is one of my pet peeves. I have an 8 yr old, and she has always understood that meal time is a time to sit with the family and interact. I cannot tell you how many games of I Spy we have played in restaurants. And once that is exhausted, we move on to “I am thinking about...” and “Which do you like better...”. I just strongly feel that when you have a family meal, the family should all interact. This is how children learn to have good conversation skills. And this is how parents develop strong lasting relationships with their kids. The dinner table is where we check in with each other and have great discussions.

Okay, I need to get off my soap box, but I have very strong opinions on the importance of family meals and the positive difference it makes in children’s lives, and when parents ignore their kids or allow electronics to entertain them it upsets me.

On a daily basis, I'd agree with you.

On a Disney vacation, a time when the family has likely spent the entire day together and the kids are likely overstimulated, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a child watching YouTube videos at dinner to decompress - provided they are doing so with headphones.

 

[DisneyWishes14]

Thanks. I wasn't certain on Abracadabra. I thought I'd read about one there somewhere but maybe it was thought they'd have one but when it opened, they didn't.

If memory serves, the restrooms for Trattoria al Forno and FF are in AbracadaBar, so I don't think they could enforce an age limit?

 

[DisneyWishes14]

I'm curious to see how Disney approaches bars/lounges going forward.

For me - as a frequent bar-goer that doesn't have kids - it starts to get annoying when I can't find a seat at a lounge because they're being taken up by people sitting there that aren't ordering drinks or food, but largely using the space as a place for their family to sit inside in the A/C while they wait for x-amount of time, or use the indoor spots to bring in food from a QS location elsewhere.

BaseLine Taphouse is the newest bar to open up and it has INCREDIBLY limited seating inside (as well as incredibly limited food/non-alcohol offerings) ... it truly is more of a "belly up to the bar"-type experience - with the majority of the seating outside. My first thought was that this was done by Disney as a way to discourage families, for better or for worse.

As far as OP goes - I had a similar experience at Tutto Gusto last week. I mentioned it to both my server AND the manager - but it was obvious that the "rules of Disney" had their hands tied. Our bottle of wine was comped, which was the least they could do, but I still sent an email to Guest Relations - both to complain and to thank the server and manager for attempting to do what they could in their power to make the situation better.

I've seen this happen with people without kids, too! DS10 and are were sitting in Nomad having our "mocktails" when this adult couple walked in, plopped themselves directly across from us AT OUR TABLE (the place was empty, they could picked any other seat they wanted), ordered some free ice water and just stared at us. It was really strange!

 

[Pumbaa_]

If your children are great in public thank you! We are not talking about you or your offspring

And when we call the devils spawn brats, we really mean their parents suck. And they do