Evening Magic Hours for Deluxe Guests Only

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🙄 I’m going in August and plan on having a great time. Thanks!

What I’m NOT doing is going next year when I was actually going to stay deluxe for part of my trip. Instead, I’m going to use the money I would have spent doing that and go on TWO vacations to non-Disney destinations. 😀
This. I was going to surprise my sister and her 3 kids with a Wish cruise until I found out that the summer dates when they could go would cost approximate $10,000. For a four day cruise. When the same cruise would have cost half of that amount after summer. Instead, I reallocated the money that I was going to spend on a 10 day Iceland trip. I don't mind spending money on my vacations but I expect to get fair value and not be price gouged.
 
Such is life. Disney changes perks all the time. Some I love, some I don't love at all. This one I like a great deal from what little I know of it. Sounds like a longer period of time and clearly will be significantly less crowded than the original evening hours.
Right....because only Deluxe guests will have access, the rest of us wont.....
 
What I hope happens is that demand for Value and Moderate drops so much that the price drops to off-site levels, rather than 2X the price of comparable.

Think back to pre-lockdown. Someone would say "Why should I pay that much money to stay in a room that is frequently compared to Motel 6?" The response would be something like, You arrive at the airport, and hop on the DME shuttle without worrying about your luggage. You get free Magic Bands. You can get into a park an hour early or stay in a park longer in the evening.

Now all that expensive Motel 6 room gets you a half hour in the morning. I am in the camp that is happier with a half-hour early entry on all parks than an hour in one now overcrowded park. But, I seem to be the minority.
 
The perk was taken away from everyone when they re-opened. All we know now is they aren't giving that perk back to anyone, but are adding some kind of EMH perk for Deluxe/DVC. We don't know how often, which parks or when and we don't know how long the EMH will be. Disney has this incredibly frustrating knack of name events the same or near same thing. After Hours, Extra Magic Hours, Extra Morning Magic....good God, be original and name them different names, because they are different.

Such is life. Disney changes perks all the time. Some I love, some I don't love at all. This one I like a great deal from what little I know of it. Sounds like a longer period of time and clearly will be significantly less crowded than the original evening hours.
I'm not trying to be rude here and i hope it doesnt come across that way, but you can call it what you want to. I dont care what disney calls it, a different name doesnt change what it is. It's basically the same as the magic hours that we had before covid. What makes it better is that it has limited people to it, and its limited because it shut out everyone that's not in deluxe resorts.

We pay a premium to stay on disney property also. Even a value resort is a massively inflated price for the hotel room you get. We justified paying those because of those services that we did get. I'll freely admit that my wife and i fell into a routine and didnt really do our homework with off property hotels for a long long time, i guess that's the "disney trap". What i will say is that the moves Disney has made in the recent years, and including this one, has opened our eyes.

I posted this on another thread, we were at disney for 8 nights starting on June 19th and stayed at Pop, we drove down the 18th and stayed at a Hampton a few miles away. The Pop room rate that i paid was literally twice as much as the Hampton Inn, meanwhile the Hampton had a bigger room, more comfortable beds, cleaner, much larger bathroom, didnt charge us to park our car, had a microwave in the room, fed us breakfast, and we got rewards points. Those are things that Disney has kept us away from all these years, but these types of moves have opened our eyes. When we return in 2023 (if then), we wont be staying onsite.

See the thing is, we just spent $7500 on a week long trip and i dont think we splurged a lot on things, i know that number is pennies to a lot of people, but its not to us. Coming back from that trip a week later and seeing all this news, now it makes me feel like that Disney doesnt think they got enough of my money. We honeymooned at disney in 2008, and have only missed 2 years at Disney since then. We skipped a year when one of my sons was born, and we just skipped Disney last year because we wanted to do something different. 2 of those years we have been AP holders from NC, which required us to stay overnight when we visited. Both of those years we drove down at least 4 times, and combined we stayed offsite twice. I'm embarrassed by how much money we've spent on Disney over the years, and at the end of the day, i feel like Disney is saying to me, "it's not enough, we need you to pay us more".

We've chosen to do other things simply because of moves like this, and its not just this one announcement. Its the ever increasing prices over the past few years, parking fees, quality of food dimensioning, shorter park hours, increase in parties and after hour events, premium parking fees....i could go on.

I come here to vent and complain because i love disney, and this is the only place i know of that people understand that love of disney. The only thing i can do is vent (which i agree doesnt solve anything) and choose to take action with my wallet (which we have started to do).

Edit: i didnt mean to quote you twice, i thought i edited the last post. my apologies.
 
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At the Mouse all free perks used to available to everyone regardless of resort. It made them different, now they are the same as every other park out there.
When I spoke to a cast member when they started charging for parking fees at the resorts, she literlaly told me, "Everyone else is charging those fees, so Disney decided they needed to." Disney is no longer a trend setter, they now follow what everyone else is doing.
 
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Now Chapek has decided the more you pay the better perks you get.

I don't look down on those who decide to pay for it. All the power to you. It's the optics that make it look bad.

Have you ever been to any entertainment venue in the world. Everybody goes to the game/theater show/etc. but the people that sit down low have better perks like getting waited on and better menus. The people in the suites get a desert cart and a bartender in their room. It is life and it isn't "optically bad". Disney is in the entertainment business and these things are commonplace.
 
now it makes me feel like that Disney doesnt think they got enough of my money.

Disney is saying to me, "it's not enough, we need you to pay us more".

I'm pretty sure this is Disney's current business model ... maximize the profit per person during their visit whether it be through resort prices, add-ons etc ... From a pure business perspective I can understand this strategy. Especially when demand appears to be so high, Disney can do whatever they want and not worry about losing guest who could be perceived as low spenders. It's not about your income level, but how much money you're willing to part with. You're welcome to stay at a value, just make sure to eat at our restaurants and add-on some dessert parties.

It's probably a sound business move now, but as discussed many times before ... what do you do during an economic downturn and you may have ticked off the old-school fans? They do have DVC to rely upon, but I think most times as soon as WDW starts offering discount packages or free dining everyone will come running back and the cycle begins anew
 
When I spoke to a cast member when they started charging for parking fees at the resorts, she literlaly told me, "Everyone else is charging those fees, so Disney decided they needed to." Disney is no longer a trend setter, they now follow what everyone else is doing.

To be fair they havent been a trend setter for a long time.

Neither Disney nor Universal nor Seaworld need to charge $20 for parking at the parks, yet they all do. They all tend to raise prices in unison as well.
 
I'm pretty sure this is Disney's current business model ... maximize the profit per person during their visit whether it be through resort prices, add-ons etc ... From a pure business perspective I can understand this strategy. Especially when demand appears to be so high, Disney can do whatever they want and not worry about losing guest who could be perceived as low spenders. It's not about your income level, but how much money you're willing to part with. You're welcome to stay at a value, just make sure to eat at our restaurants and add-on some dessert parties.

It's probably a sound business move now, but as discussed many times before ... what do you do during an economic downturn and you may have ticked off the old-school fans? They do have DVC to rely upon, but I think most times as soon as WDW starts offering discount packages or free dining everyone will come running back and the cycle begins anew
Oh i agree 100%, its clear they're telling some people that they dont want them back. There is a breaking point for them at some point, and i have no clue what that is, but they'll want those guests back at some point. They'll do what they did in 2008, offer free days if you buy so many and toss a gift card at you. The promos will be massive.
 
But if you don’t want to pay disney prices isn’t there someone else that will? They keep raising prices and people keep paying. Doesn’t that tell them that they don’t need the perks? And people who go now as first time guests might not know that they’re missing any perks or service.
 
What I hope happens is that demand for Value and Moderate drops so much that the price drops to off-site levels, rather than 2X the price of comparable.

Think back to pre-lockdown. Someone would say "Why should I pay that much money to stay in a room that is frequently compared to Motel 6?" The response would be something like, You arrive at the airport, and hop on the DME shuttle without worrying about your luggage. You get free Magic Bands. You can get into a park an hour early or stay in a park longer in the evening.

Now all that expensive Motel 6 room gets you a half hour in the morning. I am in the camp that is happier with a half-hour early entry on all parks than an hour in one now overcrowded park. But, I seem to be the minority.

We aren't morning people, so any extra time in the AM does nothing for me and I have no real opinion on 1 hour in 1 park vs. 30 minutes in all of them. That's also why I'm really angry about now being excluded from PM EMHs. When we do Disney we're only at the resort to sleep and shower, so extra amenities AT the resort mean nothing to me and spending a ton on a Deluxe resort would be a waste. I spend plenty of money in the parks, but I guess that's not good enough for Disney.
 
What makes it better is that it has limited people to it, and its limited because it shut out everyone that's not in deluxe resorts....."See the thing is, we just spent $7500 on a week long trip and i dont think we splurged a lot on things, i know that number is pennies to a lot of people, but its not to us."

Yes, of course that's why it won't be so crowded. I figured that was obvious. $7500 isn't pennies to me but we rarely spend that much, even staying Deluxe. That's a huge amount of money to me but I don't need to spend that much to stay deluxe. We don't waste money on dining plans, we don't do expensive sit down or character meals. We prioritize what is most important to us and a Deluxe resort WITH perks is the most important, so the others take a back seat. It's just a matter of choices for many.
 
But if you don’t want to pay disney prices isn’t there someone else that will? They keep raising prices and people keep paying. Doesn’t that tell them that they don’t need the perks? And people who go now as first time guests might not know that they’re missing any perks or service.
Well i mean, that theory works if they're at 100% capacity all the time. Currently if i dont pay it, it doesnt mean someone is going to come in and take my spot, that person is going to have a spot if i'm there or not.
 
But if you don’t want to pay disney prices isn’t there someone else that will? They keep raising prices and people keep paying. Doesn’t that tell them that they don’t need the perks?

I think it's telling that Disney may need these perks at the Deluxe and DVC levels. Disney may not have current issues with the price-point for moderate and values, but they may have hit a price-point with the Deluxes that they need to add these perks for retention. If they start to run into issues at other levels they'll start to add incentives as well. But they'll do easy stuff like the perks before they try dropping room prices.
 
I don't have any real gripe except I wish they offered more early mornings. Late evenings do nothing for me as I have elementary age kids. We aren't the type to stay up late as we are up by 6 or 6:30. So from my perspective, this targets adults and people with teenagers although I know many people let their kids stay up much later than I do.
 
its better for you, but it sucks for a lot of people. thats the point i was trying to make.

It sucks that I can't afford VIP tours, but I don't expect those who prioritize them and have the means to do them to feel bad for me. It sucks that people have to crowd into the fireworks show while I do a dessert buffet, but should I not do that either? Am I supposed to go around feeling bad because 1) I can either afford to do these things or 2) I prioritize these things and budget so that we can do them?

Deluxe/DVC guests spend far more on average than Value guests do. They should get more. Disney can't sell $800 a night rooms on the basis that they have a good pool.
 
It sucks that I can't afford VIP tours, but I don't expect those who prioritize them and have the means to do them to feel bad for me. It sucks that people have to crowd into the fireworks show while I do a dessert buffet, but should I not do that either? Am I supposed to go around feeling bad because 1) I can either afford to do these things or 2) I prioritize these things and budget so that we can do them?

Deluxe/DVC guests spend far more on average than Value guests do. They should get more. Disney can't sell $800 a night rooms on the basis that they have a good pool.
I didnt ask you to feel bad for anyone. Enjoy your time at the after hours events. I'll pass on disney for awhile.

Maybe by doing so and others doing so, we'll get those perks back that we've paid for in the past also.
 
It sucks that I can't afford VIP tours, but I don't expect those who prioritize them and have the means to do them to feel bad for me. It sucks that people have to crowd into the fireworks show while I do a dessert buffet, but should I not do that either? Am I supposed to go around feeling bad because 1) I can either afford to do these things or 2) I prioritize these things and budget so that we can do them?

Deluxe/DVC guests spend far more on average than Value guests do. They should get more. Disney can't sell $800 a night rooms on the basis that they have a good pool.

If they had made this a separate upcharge like a dessert party or VIP tour I wouldn't hate it as much.
 
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