Taking a beating in the stock market

Huge mistake to sell. You should have bought back in on Friday.
OP was having serious stress issues about it. When the market starts affecting your health it it’s time to take a step back.

My litmus test: can you sleep at night? If you can full steam ahead with your plan. If you can’t (because you are worried about stocks) you’re gonna die early anyway from stress...

As far as the market goes OP will sleep tonight and tomorrow night and Sun night. We all have different comfort levels and that’s absolutely ok.
 
This is just a bump in the road in the long run. Certainly don't sell in these conditions if you don't have to. Trying to time the market and call the tops/bottoms is a fool's game. You might get lucky once or twice but in the end you will be worse off. Continue investing at whatever your schedule is and dollar cost average down. In the long run the markets will recover. For the majority of people index funds are the best play overall. Anyone asking where they should invest, open a Vanguard account as their fees are among the lowest. Max out any tax advantaged accounts with contributions first (i.e Roth, Trad IRA, 401k, HSA) and then any extra into a regular brokerage account.
 
OP was having serious stress issues about it. When the market starts affecting your health it it’s time to take a step back.

Well what is the alternative? I don't buy the conventional wisdom of shifting to bonds or cash during these periods. You are basically guaranteeing that you will lose money in those investments. Getting 0.75% interest buying 10 year treasuries? Inflation is 3%+. You are basically giving up buying bonds. I still want to know the fools that bought Greek treasury bonds paying 1% interest. Who in the right mind loans money to a complete dead beat and only demands 1% interest? Everyone knows the Greek government is going to default again when things get tough.
 
I moved it to a gauranteed return fund. I’ll go back into stocks once the corona virus has been cured. I’m not staying out forever
 


I moved it to a gauranteed return fund. I’ll go back into stocks once the corona virus has been cured. I’m not staying out forever

Why do you think there will be a cure? The regular flu kills millions every year. You can get a flu shot which reduces the likelihood you will get the flu but it isn't 100% effective.

You do admit you are basically timing the market. If professionals that do this for a living can't accurately time the market I'm not sure why you believe you will be able to. There are no guarantees in investing. You can invest in products that give you a fixed rate of return but the only thing those guarantee is that you will lose ground when factoring in inflation.
 
You guys remember 2008 right. Did you hear anything about “overheated housing market” or “banks making bad loans” before the crash? I did. It was all over the place. Don’t you wish you sold when you first heard of the problems?

Instead we all stayed the course like suckers. I’m not doing that again. There will be more shoes to drop on this. And when they do I’ve read well be going to Dow 15,000. I saw a quote from Paul Krugman on Facebook and he said the market will crash and never recover. And Krugman is the smartest economist out there. He knows what he’s talking about!
 


I’m not staying out forever

The problem is the timing of your re-entry - how do you pick the bottom just right and if you miss it when do you re-enter? If it shoots back up over a couple days, you will feel like you missed the big sale and may end up sitting on the sidelines earning 0.7% on a stink'en 10 year t-bill, while the market continues up.

And Krugman is the smartest economist out there. He knows what he’s talking about!

Yikes to this statement. No economist is right all the time but PK is not very good at predictions, here's a few...

In Nov-2016 he said the markets would never recover from the election results - the markets continued higher until the virus issues.
In 2017 he said we would never see 3% GDP again - 2017 & 18 saw +3% growth
He predicted a recession would have hit by 2020 - corona could make this one come true but without it, no way.
There's also this classic - "By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.” Paul Krugman quote from 1998.
Heck, even he admitted he's not very good at predictions of recessions and markets “By the way, my track record for this is bad—as is everybody’s. No one is good at calling these turning points.”

Please don't base your investment strategy on these guys lame predictions!
 
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Can't remember where I stumbled across this (may have even been Disboards) but its very appropriate (and slightly amusing) for this discussion...you can literally take a few deep breaths to make everything seem better...

 
You guys remember 2008 right. Did you hear anything about “overheated housing market” or “banks making bad loans” before the crash? I did. It was all over the place. Don’t you wish you sold when you first heard of the problems?

i remember seeing it happen w/housing and loans, talking about it out loud w/ dh and ultimately choosing to sell our then home sooner than we had planned because of it (all before there was any large scale talk in the media about it). when you start seeing your neighbors selling their houses for first double then triple what they paid for them a few years earlier to households that are making less than 1/2 the income the original buyers needed to qualify for their home loans you know something smells off with the lending process and it can't be sustained.

we sold just in time, in fact a few years later when i spoke to our former realtor he said ours was the last in that city before it all collapsed. there are times it pays to listen to your gut vs. the experts.
 
You guys remember 2008 right. Did you hear anything about “overheated housing market” or “banks making bad loans” before the crash? I did. It was all over the place. Don’t you wish you sold when you first heard of the problems?

Instead we all stayed the course like suckers. I’m not doing that again. There will be more shoes to drop on this. And when they do I’ve read well be going to Dow 15,000. I saw a quote from Paul Krugman on Facebook and he said the market will crash and never recover. And Krugman is the smartest economist out there. He knows what he’s talking about!
Yeah... an economist does not make a trader. That '16 call was bad...
 
You guys remember 2008 right. Did you hear anything about “overheated housing market” or “banks making bad loans” before the crash? I did. It was all over the place. Don’t you wish you sold when you first heard of the problems?

Instead we all stayed the course like suckers. I’m not doing that again. There will be more shoes to drop on this. And when they do I’ve read well be going to Dow 15,000. I saw a quote from Paul Krugman on Facebook and he said the market will crash and never recover. And Krugman is the smartest economist out there. He knows what he’s talking about!
Absolutely delighted I did not sell. Dow at this time in 2008, 11,893.69. Dow Friday, 26,121.28 after the decline.
 
I moved it to a gauranteed return fund. I’ll go back into stocks once the corona virus has been cured. I’m not staying out forever
I'm being nosy, so feel free to ignore if this is too personal! What is the rate on your guaranteed rate of return? Also, what percentage of your savings were in the market when you sold and for how long had you been investing in your 401K?
 
For those of you who want to ruin your Sunday evening read on...

Yikes - Oil down plus 30%...10 year down to 0.50%...S&P futures down 4%...no bottom yet..and the oil and 10 year hits are just remarkable.
 
For those of you who want to ruin your Sunday evening read on...

Yikes - Oil down plus 30%...10 year down to 0.50%...S&P futures down 4%...no bottom yet..and the oil and 10 year hits are just remarkable.

The Fed will start to dump the trillions of bonds it still holds to stabilize prices. The bond market yields are collapsing. The Fed will come to the rescue again and sell to stabilize prices. They will swap out bonds for stocks. I'm sure he is making calls to Powell to get him to fix this.
 
For those of you who want to ruin your Sunday evening read on...

Yikes - Oil down plus 30%...10 year down to 0.50%...S&P futures down 4%...no bottom yet..and the oil and 10 year hits are just remarkable.
It was much worse at actual opening. Trading was halted for the first time about 40 minutes after opening. I have not seen if it's been halted for a second time.
 
It was much worse at actual opening. Trading was halted for the first time about 40 minutes after opening. I have not seen if it's been halted for a second time.
Trading was halted 4 mins after opening when the first Circuit-breaker was triggered at down 7%. Trading halted for 15 mins and then resumed. It did take until about 10am before they got all stocks opened, it was a slow process this morning with the 15 min time out and massive volatility. But there was no 40 min break for the whole market.

For those wondering about these “breaks”.... Circuit-breaker 2 is the next that can trigger today, it will be a 15 min stop in trading at market down 13%. It will not trigger if it is past 3:25pm EST. Circut-breaker 3 is triggered at down 20% and trading will be halted for the rest of the day.
 
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Trading was halted 4 mins after opening when the first Circuit-breaker was triggered at down 7%. Trading halted for 15 mins and then resumed. It did take until about 10am before they got all stocks opened, it was a slow process this morning with the 15 min time out and massive volatility. But there was no 40 min break for the whole market.

For those wondering about these “breaks”.... Circuit-breaker 2 is the next that can trigger today, it will be a 15 min stop in trading at market down 13%. It will not trigger if it is past 3:25pm EST. Circut-breaker 3 is triggered at down 20% and trading will be halted for the rest of the day.
I never said there was a 40 minute break.
 

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